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Federal court greenlights TekSavvy’s appeal of CRTC wholesale rates ruling

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The Conservative Party of Canada is promising to reduce the CRTC’s regulatory powers
Not sure how this would help at all. We need the crtc to have strong regulation on the big three to keep them in line. We also need a fair and independent commission. Not the corruption we have now.
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RAINMAN0 wrote: Not sure how this would help at all. We need the crtc to have strong regulation on the big three to keep them in line. We also need a fair and independent commission. Not the corruption we have now.
exactly they need to put a chairman in charge of the crtc who has the technical knowledge of telecom but they need to stop picking jerks who use to be high up excs at companies such as bell,rogers telus the current loser who screwed everything up use to be a vp at telus so ofcourse hes isn't going to make a decision that goes contrary to what his buddies at big isps want.
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RAINMAN0 wrote: Not sure how this would help at all. We need the crtc to have strong regulation on the big three to keep them in line. We also need a fair and independent commission. Not the corruption we have now.
From what I understand cons want to allow more competition which theoretically should lead to less regulatory oversight requirement. Would need to see the whole plan to better understand intentions.
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peli33 wrote: From what I understand cons want to allow more competition which theoretically should lead to less regulatory oversight requirement. Would need to see the whole plan to better understand intentions.
This is theory sounds good but what company is going to come in and lay their own fiber? I wouldn't think any. The upfront capital requirements are huge. Plus, the requirement for them to do this is that our companies can go their and lay their own as well. I wont think either of these are likely events personally.

The only real way is to allow third parties to access the existing infrastructure at competitive rates and the only way this will happen is if they are forced to do so. Since most of this infrastructure was all subsidized anyway it should be public access or split into its own company that can be access equally by all providers including by the big 3.
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RAINMAN0 wrote: This is theory sounds good but what company is going to come in and lay their own fiber? I wouldn't think any. The upfront capital requirements are huge. Plus, the requirement for them to do this is that our companies can go their and lay their own as well. I wont think either of these are likely events personally.

The only real way is to allow third parties to access the existing infrastructure at competitive rates and the only way this will happen is if they are forced to do so. Since most of this infrastructure was all subsidized anyway it should be public access or split into its own company that can be access equally by all providers including by the big 3.
That is why we need to see actual plans. "More competition" is a nice buzzword but I also don't believe laying/maintaining multiple last-mile cables, usually the most expensive part, is realistic or even make sense. Would also like to see a single infra as utility with good redundancy and everyone else selling access services.
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What the hell is CIK doing? They're a big provider too but isnt helping?
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peli33 wrote: From what I understand cons want to allow more competition which theoretically should lead to less regulatory oversight requirement. Would need to see the whole plan to better understand intentions.
Standard Conservative wishful thinking. Allow US companies to come in if Canadians can access their territory. No freaking way is any company going to invest BILLIONS in Canada
given our small population. And of course standard right wing, less rules will be better. Telecom is also a security issue, it would be stupid to allow a foreign company in. What do you
think is going to happen if Hollywood starts demanding your IP from a US based ISP??
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shutterbug wrote: Standard Conservative wishful thinking. Allow US companies to come in if Canadians can access their territory. No freaking way is any company going to invest BILLIONS in Canada
given our small population. And of course standard right wing, less rules will be better. Telecom is also a security issue, it would be stupid to allow a foreign company in. What do you
think is going to happen if Hollywood starts demanding your IP from a US based ISP??
CRTC granted Starlink a license to provide ISP service in Canada. Will be a good alternative for remote/low density areas underserved at moment. Was surprised our telecos didn't mount objections or maybe they did but went under radar.
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peli33 wrote: CRTC granted Starlink a license to provide ISP service in Canada. Will be a good alternative for remote/low density areas underserved at moment. Was surprised our telecos didn't mount objections or maybe they did but went under radar.
they probably did. a couple years back when there were rumours verizon wanted to started doing stuff up in Canada i recall bell doing all kinds of pissing and moaning about it.
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shutterbug wrote: Standard Conservative wishful thinking. Allow US companies to come in if Canadians can access their territory. No freaking way is any company going to invest BILLIONS in Canada
given our small population. And of course standard right wing, less rules will be better. Telecom is also a security issue, it would be stupid to allow a foreign company in. What do you
think is going to happen if Hollywood starts demanding your IP from a US based ISP??
You mean like Cogeco owning Atlantic Broadband in the US and used to own Cabovisao in Portugal? That's really harmed those respective countries...

The operation of telecoms is based of the jurisdictional regulations of the area it operates in, not the interests of the consumers - I love the suggestion that an American or European based telecom would be so much more willing to hand a subscribers information over to a studio than Bell/Rogers/Telus. Yep, our 'Canadian Owned' oligopoly definitely has your best interests in mind; just don't worry about the bill.
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wasn't just bell. rogers and telus too. this was just before wind and mobilicity were players during spectrum auction days.
aaron158 wrote: they probably did. a couple years back when there were rumours verizon wanted to started doing stuff up in Canada i recall bell doing all kinds of pissing and moaning about it.
are we there yet?
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RAINMAN0 wrote: Not sure how this would help at all. We need the crtc to have strong regulation on the big three to keep them in line. We also need a fair and independent commission. Not the corruption we have now.
The Conservative Party of Canada is promising to reduce the CRTC’s regulatory powers and called for more competition in Canada’s ISP market.

Is the actual what it said. and not just cut ans paste
The Conservative Party of Canada is promising to reduce the CRTC’s regulatory powers
shutterbug wrote: Standard Conservative wishful thinking. Allow US companies to come in if Canadians can access their territory. No freaking way is any company going to invest BILLIONS in Canada
given our small population. And of course standard right wing, less rules will be better. Telecom is also a security issue, it would be stupid to allow a foreign company in. What do you
think is going to happen if Hollywood starts demanding your IP from a US based ISP??

what a bunch of crap.
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aaron158 wrote: they probably did. a couple years back when there were rumours verizon wanted to started doing stuff up in Canada i recall bell doing all kinds of pissing and moaning about it.
Back in 2013

June 2013, Verizon confirms it is weighing expansion into Canada

Verizon’s CFO confirmed to the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday that the company is in the preliminary stages of weighing entry into the Canadian market.

August 2013, Verizon delays potential acquisitions of Wind, Mobilicity

Verizon Communications will focus on deciding whether to participate in the upcoming government auction of wireless spectrum, taking place in January, 2014, rather than immediately push to purchase Wind Mobile and Mobilicity, sources say.

September 2013, Verizon not interested in expanding into Canada, CEO says

In the wake of announcing one of the biggest deals in corporate history, the chief executive of Verizon Communications said Monday that his company is no longer interested in entering the Canadian market
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Indie internet providers warned for months CRTC decision would kill them — now they’re beginning to disappear
The government is expected to rule later this week on appeals of CRTC decision. Quebec’s largest independent ISP recently sold itself to Bell, and others say ruling on rates is killing competition.

https://www.thestar.com/business/2022/0 ... rates.html
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Dhanushan wrote: Indie internet providers warned for months CRTC decision would kill them — now they’re beginning to disappear
The government is expected to rule later this week on appeals of CRTC decision. Quebec’s largest independent ISP recently sold itself to Bell, and others say ruling on rates is killing competition.

https://www.thestar.com/business/2022/0 ... rates.html
I won't hold my breath. Everything that has happened in the last 10 or so years have been squarely aimed at making the small ISP's less and less competitive. The simple fact that this process STARTED in 2016 (6 YEARS!) is all you need to know that the big telcos and the CRTC are using time as a weapon against the small ISP's who are bleeding money. If the Liberal government (who historically have been very cozy with the Bell and Rogers of the world) actually do something positive for consumers, I'll eat my hat.
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Is this related? It is behind paywall

Ottawa sets new CRTC telecom policy directives to promote competition and affordability

Ottawa has issued a new proposed policy directive for the telecom sector that emphasizes competition and affordability in the Internet and mobile phone markets and instructs the federal telecom regulator to improve its wholesale network access regimes.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... mpetition/
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start.ca just announced price hikes across the board between $3-5 for cable/dsl/fibre

even on there fibre witch has nothing to do with the overpriced rates bell and rogers makes them pay.
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:facepalm: at the person who downvoted this ...I guess they want to pay higher prices lol.
aaron158 wrote: start.ca just announced price hikes across the board between $3-5 for cable/dsl/fibre

even on there fibre witch has nothing to do with the overpriced rates bell and rogers makes them pay.
What?! Hmm... I did't hear anything about this yet. Where did you see it? Funny, I was just thinking this morning (or yesterday) that in all the years I've been with them they only raised the price once (and that's b/c of Rogers) but disappointed that they're raising them again...though not surprised. What's NOT increasing is the question.

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