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Feds Eliminate Food Inflation Data

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Feds Eliminate Food Inflation Data

The Government of Canada has permanently removed tracking a significant amount of food inflation data, making it impossible to track grocery food inflation increases.

Canadians are facing significant inflation as a result of the Federal Government's monetary policies. Inflation makes inflation, and knowing real inflation numbers will force the Federal Government to pay more for inflation indexed income payments for Canadians.

The Government's solution to rapid inflation? Eliminate much of the data. Most of the media will ignore it.

"Why is StatsCan quietly deleting its food inflation database?"
Sunday, March 27, 2022
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... -1106-.htm
Over the next few weeks, the database containing the average prices of 52 products sold in Canadian grocery stores will be completely removed by Statistics Canada. The agency is essentially turning the page on more than 25 years of data to establish an expanded list of products whose prices will be collected every month. This new list will likely be more reflective of the modern diet.

There's no doubt this change was needed as the existing list of products was quite dated. In fact, even if you go back 25 years, the list was quite immaterial to most of us.

For example, the only fish on the list was canned salmon. The fish and seafood industry is huge in Canada, but canned salmon was the only fish Statistics Canada monitored over the last 25 years.

The produce category also had just a handful of options and juice had one option: orange. The vegetable protein category wasn't represented at all. But vegetable proteins are consumed by a growing number of Canadians.

In addition, the updated Canada's Food Guide is more than three years old.

According to Statistics Canada's note, once the new list is posted, we won't be able to go back beyond March 2022 to access food prices. So getting any historical perspective on the new food basket won't be possible.

Removing this historical perspective essentially eliminates the ability to better understand how food costs have impacted our lives over the years. Money spent on food influences lifestyles, and our socio-economic status and historical points of reference have always been helpful to us all, including other government branches, economists and researchers.

That makes Statistics Canada's change quite disappointing.

Oddly, it appears the agency won't even create two food baskets in parallel so data can overlap. In the United States and elsewhere, federal agencies typically don't erase entire databases. At the very least, they don't make them inaccessible to the public.

Statistics Canada has been criticized over the years for its inaccuracy when it comes to mapping inflation, especially food inflation. This change raises questions about motive and why the announcement was so quiet.
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CHARLEBOIS: Statistics Canada's quiet mea culpa | Toronto Sun


really? I don't believe this. Stas can not doing job what they are getting paid? get money for not doing job?

And I come to rfd to understand the data. Now that data is not there. why?
If there is no data then how can we say "they must be lying and manipulating the data".
Or not providing data is manipulating?
Tried new coffee and doughnut. Found same old stale thing. expected bill of six bucks but it was 600 million. Big mistake so the guy said don't worry it is on the house. going back to McD.
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Makes sense they're updating the list, but dumb they're deleting the old data.

Why not keep the old list going? Seems like now it's a two second data scrape...
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Plain and simple, feds are trying to hide the real inflation so they can print more money and keep the rates low. This will fuel the economy temporarily and everything will look artificially good, stocks bonds real estate... what it means is that feds are not even trying to lower the inflation. It sucks and everyone is doing it, quietly, but long term it will have a devastating outcome.


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Is there a real source (ie Statscan)?

Right away there's a huge inaccuracy ("the only fish on the list was canned salmon" when there's a load of fish on the list): https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/62f ... 15-eng.htm

I can't recall Statscan ever "deleting" data and have pretty big doubts about this story without further proof.
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Aha, here it is: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-q ... 1&indgeo=0
Statscan wrote:Expansion of monthly average retail prices
Beginning May 4, 2022, national average retail prices will be available in the Monthly Average Retail Prices for Selected Products (table 18-10-0245-01) table. At that time this table will also include an expanded list of products, based on enhanced data sources and methods. These new data series will begin with March 2022 data. This table uses scanner data (also known as transaction data) collected from Canadian retailers. Transaction data provide a comprehensive electronic record of the transactions made through a retailer's point-of-sale system, and contain relevant pricing information, such as product descriptions and quantities sold. The Monthly Average Retail Prices for Food and Other Selected Products (table 18-10-0002-01) table will no longer be published after March 16, 2022. Note that these tables are not directly comparable due to methodological differences, and do not contain all the same products and may contain different product definitions.
So they're going to start a new table, and stop publishing the old one. That *doesn't mean* they're removing access, it just means they won't update the old table because they're going to update the new table. What a circlejerk of a freakout over a simple change, but of course outrage sells. Maybe stop being so gullible, people.
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MikeMontrealer wrote: Is there a real source (ie Statscan)?

Right away there's a huge inaccuracy ("the only fish on the list was canned salmon" when there's a load of fish on the list): https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/62f ... 15-eng.htm

I can't recall Statscan ever "deleting" data and have pretty big doubts about this story without further proof.
I GUESS they referred to this:

"The Monthly Average Retail Prices for Food and Other Selected Products (table 18-10-0002-01) table will no longer be published after March 16, 2022. "

It's in section "Expansion of monthly average retail prices"

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-q ... 1&indgeo=0
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I dunno. I see it and it hurts the wallet for sure!

I recall when I started living on my own about 10 years ago... Grocery was $120 ish tops... good stuff too. Beef, shrimp, fresh fruit and veggies. Didn't really bargain hunt. Just go o one shop and just buy whatever interesting on sale.

Now it seems like close to $200...
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MikeMontrealer wrote: Aha, here it is: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-q ... 1&indgeo=0



So they're going to start a new table, and stop publishing the old one. That *doesn't mean* they're removing access, it just means they won't update the old table because they're going to update the new table. What a circlejerk of a freakout over a simple change, but of course outrage sells. Maybe stop being so gullible, people.
I was thinking the same thing. NO where does it say Statscan is deleting the data. All the outrage traces back to ONE single-person source article - a person that does NOT provide any reference to the supposed Statscan statement that would verify their assertion.

There will still be an overall "basket of goods" table published.
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All I know is that myprotein is 200% more!
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More media outlets now reporting on the food data price tracking removals...

Why is StatsCan deleting its food inflation database?
https://paherald.sk.ca/why-is-statscan- ... -database/

Statistics Canada is Changing How it Monitors Food Prices and “It Couldn’t Come at a Worse Time”
https://retail-insider.com/retail-insid ... me-expert/

Statistics Canada's quiet mea culpa
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... -mea-culpa
Over the next few weeks, the database containing the average prices of 52 products sold in Canadian grocery stores will be completely removed by Statistics Canada. The federal agency is essentially turning the page on more than 25 years of data to establish in return an expanded list of products whose prices will be collected every month.
No way to criticize when the truth is deliberately blocked.
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MikeMontrealer wrote: Aha, here it is: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-q ... 1&indgeo=0



So they're going to start a new table, and stop publishing the old one. That *doesn't mean* they're removing access, it just means they won't update the old table because they're going to update the new table. What a circlejerk of a freakout over a simple change, but of course outrage sells. Maybe stop being so gullible, people.
"Note that these tables are not directly comparable due to methodological differences, and do not contain all the same products and may contain different product definitions."

So it does make comparisons harder if not impossible. I personally don't think now it's the best time to change it.

Also in the link you posted, it said:
"The Monthly Average Retail Prices for Food and Other Selected Products (table 18-10-0002-01) table will no longer be published after March 16, 2022."
So it's really up to how to interpret it: the original article author thought it means no more access and you seem to think you can still see old data. But this is not main point from the article. The main point is you can't have reasonable comparison because of change
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people and their theories. yeah right they are not suppressing or providing data.
Simple question why are they doing it. they have no reason to do this. and now.
LMAO. they are not deleting old data. just updating tables. But not providing old data.
haha. hahaha.
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MikeMontrealer wrote: Is there a real source (ie Statscan)?

Right away there's a huge inaccuracy ("the only fish on the list was canned salmon" when there's a load of fish on the list): https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/62f ... 15-eng.htm

I can't recall Statscan ever "deleting" data and have pretty big doubts about this story without further proof.
There is a ton of fish on the list NOW but canned salmon is the only 1 for which the data goes back 25 years. Which means their data is already spotty, why not start fresh anew?

I hate to point this out but this grocery list is white AF. Mayonnaise but no soy sauce? "Takeout Chinese food" is a loaded term if they mean chicken balls in sweet & sour sauce. I think that is the sort of thing they mean to clean up.
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UrbanPoet wrote: I dunno. I see it and it hurts the wallet for sure!

I recall when I started living on my own about 10 years ago... Grocery was $120 ish tops... good stuff too. Beef, shrimp, fresh fruit and veggies. Didn't really bargain hunt. Just go o one shop and just buy whatever interesting on sale.

Now it seems like close to $200...
Yes. Prices for groceries are difficult. Maybe bargain hunting may be necessary now. That's why I am on this site. Luv the posts about grocery deals that saves us money. Luv the pics from Cda East and West that help us save on groceries etc. And the points deals-- we use our points to buy groceries. Example, recently needed new brakes. Waited for a sale on brake service. Had the money saved in the bank (at 2.8% special interest rate). Paid for the brakes with a credit card. Paid off the credit card. No interest. Earned points. Used the points for food.
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kimmelite wrote: Yes. Prices for groceries are difficult. Maybe bargain hunting may be necessary now. That's why I am on this site. Luv the posts about grocery deals that saves us money. Luv the pics from Cda East and West that help us save on groceries etc. And the points deals-- we use our points to buy groceries. Example, recently needed new brakes. Waited for a sale on brake service. Had the money saved in the bank (at 2.8% special interest rate). Paid for the brakes with a credit card. Paid off the credit card. No interest. Earned points. Used the points for food.
The worst thing about grocery inflation is it hurts the poor the hardest
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smartie wrote: The worst thing about grocery inflation is it hurts the poor the hardest
Everything seems to hurt the poor the hardest, including the poor people themselves.
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RxMills wrote: More media outlets now reporting on the food data price tracking removals...

Why is StatsCan deleting its food inflation database?
https://paherald.sk.ca/why-is-statscan- ... -database/

Statistics Canada is Changing How it Monitors Food Prices and “It Couldn’t Come at a Worse Time”
https://retail-insider.com/retail-insid ... me-expert/

Statistics Canada's quiet mea culpa
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... -mea-culpa


No way to criticize when the truth is deliberately blocked.
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There's little point in posting the same article being reprinted at all of these media outlets. It's the same article as the OP posted. These all count as one single source, and that source is fear mongering and assuming a lot without bothering to ask StatsCan.
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smartie wrote: "Note that these tables are not directly comparable due to methodological differences, and do not contain all the same products and may contain different product definitions."

So it does make comparisons harder if not impossible. I personally don't think now it's the best time to change it.

Also in the link you posted, it said:
"The Monthly Average Retail Prices for Food and Other Selected Products (table 18-10-0002-01) table will no longer be published after March 16, 2022."
So it's really up to how to interpret it: the original article author thought it means no more access and you seem to think you can still see old data. But this is not main point from the article. The main point is you can't have reasonable comparison because of change
Your first point is a fair argument, but I have little time for "articles" from "journalists" that interpret on their own without bothering to, I don't know, pick up the damn phone and ask StatsCan themselves. But no, far better to shove out fear mongering horseshit that gets republished in a hundred different outlets across the country further creating paranoia at a time when people are already stressing about the all too real problem of inflation in food prices.

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