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Ford invests 1.2B in Ontario to create knowledge jobs in 3 cities...No factory jobs

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Ford invests 1.2B in Ontario to create knowledge jobs in 3 cities...No factory jobs

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report ... le34487030

More evidence that jobs are being created ...Just not for unskilled or semiskiled factory jobs . Makes sense as we have highly educated workers...Who shouldn't be working on manufacturing

From wiki for those who don't know what knowledge jobs are

"Knowledge workers are workers whose main capital is knowledge. Examples include software engineers, physicians, pharmacists, architects, engineers, scientists, public accountants, lawyers, and academics, whose job is to "think for a living".

Ford Motor Co. will establish a research and development centre in Ottawa as part of a $1.2-billion investment it will make in its Canadian operations over the next four years.

The auto maker made the announcement Thursday in Windsor, Ont., where its Essex Engine Plant will begin building a new V8 engine, preserving 500 jobs.

The new research centre in Ottawa will hire 295 engineers, who will work on developing autonomous and connected vehicles. Ford will establish satellite engineering centres in Waterloo, Ont., and Oakville, Ont., site of a Ford assembly plant and Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd. headquarters.
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They will hire 400 blackberry employees in Waterloo.
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Ottawa? Did they get a deal on the former Big Nerd Ranch property?
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LoveRFD wrote: They will hire 400 blackberry employees in Waterloo.
Majority of the hires will come from BlackBerry...

"The 300 engineers in Canada and 100 in the United States will double the current size of the Detroit automaker's mobile connectivity engineering team. Ford also plans to establish a new research and engineering center in Ottawa. That's because t​​​​​​he majority of the hires will come from BlackBerry's shuttered phone handset business, TechCrunch reports, where they gained extensive experience working with QNX, the operating system that powers Ford's SYNC 3 and is used by a large number of the world's leading automakers in similar capacities."
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/30/ford ... vity-team/
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they could probably just bought out RIM altogether, still, other competitors are fighting over QNX people, best to act fast
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So we have to give Ford 200 million to keep them happy and have their operations remain here for a while longer? Seems so stupid when all this time and money we've wasted and all the begging we've had to do to keep these car companies happy and in Canada, how much better it would've been if we simply took all those billions and created our own car company instead. I mean we clearly have the technology, the expertise and the workforce to do it and yet we continually would rather be at the mercy of foreign auto companies than build our own car company and employ our own people. :rolleyes:
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MaximDude wrote: So we have to give Ford 200 million to keep them happy and have their operations remain here for a while longer? Seems so stupid when all this time and money we've wasted and all the begging we've had to do to keep these car companies happy and in Canada, how much better it would've been if we simply took all those billions and created our own car company instead. I mean we clearly have the technology, the expertise and the workforce to do it and yet we continually would rather be at the mercy of foreign auto companies than build our own car company and employ our own people. :rolleyes:
This is how it works... Govts compete with each other throwing money at companies to get them to move here or stay...Its a game we must play whether we like it or not

Created our own car company? So subsidize it forever?

Magna is as close as we have and it makes all sorts of cars
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MaximDude wrote: So we have to give Ford 200 million to keep them happy and have their operations remain here for a while longer? Seems so stupid when all this time and money we've wasted and all the begging we've had to do to keep these car companies happy and in Canada, how much better it would've been if we simply took all those billions and created our own car company instead. I mean we clearly have the technology, the expertise and the workforce to do it and yet we continually would rather be at the mercy of foreign auto companies than build our own car company and employ our own people. :rolleyes:
we should also create our own smartphone company ( we tried) , computer company , social media company etc, ..Canadians will still buy what they think is best value for them, if we had a Canadian car company ,unless its build/ reliability and value was close to Toyota I'd still opt for a Toyota
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Doubleshot wrote:
This is how it works... Govts compete with each other throwing money at companies to get them to move here or stay...Its a game we must play whether we like it or not

Created our own car company? So subsidize it forever?
We're already subsidizing foreign companies with all the money and deals we've given them over the years. And what's the result of all that? Still always a looming threat of these companies picking up and moving their operations, cutting back on jobs for Canadians etc. so pretty much nothing has changed despite all we've spent on them.

We could've just put all that money and resources into building our own car company that employs Canadians and build cars for our own market and if successful even for the international market. Stop letting Ford, GM etc holding Canada hostage into eternity and start building our own cars and let those bastards walk.
rb wrote: we should also create our own smartphone company ( we tried) , computer company , social media company etc, ..Canadians will still buy what they think is best value for them, if we had a Canadian car company ,unless its build/ reliability and value was close to Toyota I'd still opt for a Toyota
Is there any reason at all that we couldn't build cars that are as good in quality/reliability as Toyota, Honda etc? Its not like we haven't had many years of experience of doing so and we sure as hell can beat the likes of Ford, GM etc. who aren't exactly anything special and can be easily surpassed. The thing is we need to TRY instead of saying we can't and forever being at the mercy of foreign auto companies.
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MaximDude wrote: We're already subsidizing foreign companies with all the money and deals we've given them over the years. And what's the result of all that? Still always a looming threat of these companies picking up and moving their operations, cutting back on jobs for Canadians etc. so pretty much nothing has changed despite all we've spent on them.

We could've just put all that money and resources into building our own car company that employs Canadians and build cars for our own market and if successful even for the international market. Stop letting Ford, GM etc holding Canada hostage into eternity and start building our own cars and let those bastards walk.



Is there any reason at all that we couldn't build cars that are as good in quality/reliability as Toyota, Honda etc? Its not like we haven't had many years of experience of doing so and we sure as hell can beat the likes of Ford, GM etc. who aren't exactly anything special and can be easily surpassed. The thing is we need to TRY instead of saying we can't and forever being at the mercy of foreign auto companies.
There are lots of reasons, the management and worker culture for one is huge, second the supply chain , Japanese cars are built with parts from hundreds of suppliers all of whom take QC very seriously. If it was easy to do GM etc would have done it.
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rb wrote: we should also create our own smartphone company ( we tried) , computer company
Commodore was technically Canadian lol... Started in Toronto. So I guess we tried that too.
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rb wrote: There are lots of reasons, the management and worker culture for one is huge, second the supply chain , Japanese cars are built with parts from hundreds of suppliers all of whom take QC very seriously. If it was easy to do GM etc would have done it.
We have the management and the workforce to build good cars and we have the supply chain too. We have the technology, the engineers, the designers and pretty much everything else too so there's no reason why we can't set up even one car company here when countries that are poorer than us and/or smaller than us have done so.

And also don't people complain about Toyota and Honda car designs and quality control these days? So its not like they're perfect either and there's no reason why they can't be surpassed.
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MaximDude wrote: So we have to give Ford 200 million to keep them happy and have their operations remain here for a while longer? Seems so stupid when all this time and money we've wasted and all the begging we've had to do to keep these car companies happy and in Canada, how much better it would've been if we simply took all those billions and created our own car company instead. I mean we clearly have the technology, the expertise and the workforce to do it and yet we continually would rather be at the mercy of foreign auto companies than build our own car company and employ our own people. :rolleyes:
ROFL! GOVERNMENT BUILD OUR OWN CAR COMPANIES AND EMPLOY ARE OUR OWN PEOPLE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh god that was good. Thank you that made me cheer up this morning. Just, just even the concept that someone believes, even for a second, that a government in Canada could run or even function on market based principles in any industry is freaking hilarious. Man, that is too good. We would have maybe a year or 2 of normal operation until some dumbass politician decided to do the same thing they did to Ontario's energy system to that company all in the name of "social license" and "feel good" measures (People aren't buying enough EVs? Well we will produce and sell them at 5k each! 600km range! Taxpayers can fund it all!). Then the employees would unionize and bend the government over backwards too.

Please the only thing the government can do to help any industry is get the hell out of the way.
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CanadaMaple wrote: Commodore was technically Canadian lol... Started in Toronto. So I guess we tried that too.
I think ATI was Canadian too until they were bought by AMD a decade ago.
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I am glad to see investment in this country. It will be good for job creation for the educated.

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