Getting landlord or tenant to pay LTB award

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Mar 18th, 2022 2:15 pm

podric [OP]: Deal Addict; Jan 31, 2022; 1253 posts; 2164 upvotes

Mar 18th, 2022 2:15 pm

Getting landlord or tenant to pay LTB award

No offence to the landlords that run a good ship out there; most of them are very good.

I am at the end of my rental because the landlord has decided to sell the place. I think because they don't want to foot the bill for extensive repairs they have been neglecting and they I had been warning them I was filing with the LTB for the repairs and for compensation (compensation could be north of $10K).

This isn't their only rental place and I wouldn't be the only person to have required legal intervention to resolve their tightfisted, non-bill paying ways.

Normally, the LTB allows rent to be paid to them instead of the landlord while the hearing is pending but that doesn't apply here because by the time that happens I will have paid the last month of rent I needed to.

How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?

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Mar 18th, 2022 2:17 pm

licenced: Deal Fanatic; Jul 3, 2011; 6517 posts; 3792 upvotes; Thornhill

Mar 18th, 2022 2:17 pm

What repairs are you filing for and why did you make repairs and what is the compensation about?

podric wrote: ↑ No offence to the landlords that run a good ship out there; most of them are very good.

I am at the end of my rental because the landlord has decided to sell the place. I think because they don't want to foot the bill for extensive repairs they have been neglecting and they I had been warning them I was filing with the LTB for the repairs and for compensation (compensation could be north of $10K).

This isn't their only rental place and I wouldn't be the only person to have required legal intervention to resolve their tightfisted, non-bill paying ways.

Normally, the LTB allows rent to be paid to them instead of the landlord while the hearing is pending but that doesn't apply here because by the time that happens I will have paid the last month of rent I needed to.

How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?

Mar 18th, 2022 3:05 pm

podric [OP]: Deal Addict; Jan 31, 2022; 1253 posts; 2164 upvotes

Mar 18th, 2022 3:05 pm

I did not make repairs so I am not out of pocket for that.
am out of pocket for a higher than they are supposed to be utilities and few hundred dollars for workarounds I spend money on like an Uber because I could not get to my car and some for another tenant not allowing access to things like laundry.

The repairs are are sitting undone and I have to live with them though I don't have use of some of the rental property because of it. One may cause some property damage, one is safety issue.
It has been a significant irritant for the last 6 months.

Does it matter?

Mar 19th, 2022 9:32 am

rfd911: Member; Oct 6, 2017; 393 posts; 442 upvotes

Mar 19th, 2022 9:32 am

Move on. Life's too short.

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Mar 19th, 2022 9:40 am

Quentin5: Deal Expert; Feb 8, 2014; 27688 posts; 11835 upvotes; Socially Distanced

Mar 19th, 2022 9:40 am

Get your hearing but you may have to go through small claims court once you no longer live there (the LTB can advise).

Once you have your judgment they have assets so if they don't pay you can push further to have their wages garnished or a court judgment against them. They will obviously have assets you could go after.

But remember that evidence makes or breaks your case, do some research on what evidence you need and collect it now before you are out of the place.

In fact in Rand McNally they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people

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Mar 19th, 2022 11:17 am

ilovetoyota: Deal Addict; May 22, 2019; 1437 posts; 2070 upvotes

Mar 19th, 2022 11:17 am

podric wrote: ↑ No offence to the landlords that run a good ship out there; most of them are very good.

I am at the end of my rental because the landlord has decided to sell the place. I think because they don't want to foot the bill for extensive repairs they have been neglecting and they I had been warning them I was filing with the LTB for the repairs and for compensation (compensation could be north of $10K).

This isn't their only rental place and I wouldn't be the only person to have required legal intervention to resolve their tightfisted, non-bill paying ways.

Normally, the LTB allows rent to be paid to them instead of the landlord while the hearing is pending but that doesn't apply here because by the time that happens I will have paid the last month of rent I needed to.

How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?

This is another typical example of landlord getting tortured by tenants.

A lot of tenants never feel appreciated for landlord giving them a place to stay. If OP lives in Asia, the landlord can send him to jail already. Sigh....

World cup is coming

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Mar 19th, 2022 11:19 am

Quentin5: Deal Expert; Feb 8, 2014; 27688 posts; 11835 upvotes; Socially Distanced

Mar 19th, 2022 11:19 am

ilovetoyota wrote: ↑ This is another typical example of landlord getting tortured by tenants.

A lot of tenants never feel appreciated for landlord giving them a place to stay. If OP lives in Asia, the landlord can send him to jail already. Sigh....

So go buy property in Asia.

In fact in Rand McNally they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people

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Mar 19th, 2022 11:39 am

JayLove06: Deal Expert; Feb 29, 2008; 19630 posts; 18166 upvotes; Tarrana & The Ri…

Mar 19th, 2022 11:39 am

ilovetoyota wrote: ↑ This is another typical example of landlord getting tortured by tenants.

A lot of tenants never feel appreciated for landlord giving them a place to stay. If OP lives in Asia, the landlord can send him to jail already. Sigh....

Meh, some landlords are not doing their part. However, I remember having a tenant make minor changes for their own convenience and asking me to pay for it. Told them to go kick rocks. So there are some things that a tenant will ask a landlord to do and frankly the landlord should do it....then there are other things they ask for and I question their sanity.

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Mar 19th, 2022 12:52 pm

licenced: Deal Fanatic; Jul 3, 2011; 6517 posts; 3792 upvotes; Thornhill

Mar 19th, 2022 12:52 pm

Yes it matters. Is that how you plan on responding at a hearing if you get one? "does it matter?"

in any case, you paid nothing you get nothing.

you paid for 'higher than supposed to be utilities' unless you have a contract for a fixed cost or can prove the landlord is overbilling your share of consumed utilities, you get nothing.

You paid out of pocket for someone else's expenses you get nothing from the landlord - your philanthropy is not his issue.

You want compensation for unstated things, without a contract to perform a service you get nothing.

If the property was in disrepair and it interferred with your use of same you may get a bit.

You file and lose the case, you pay his fees.

Good luck to you!

podric wrote: ↑ I did not make repairs so I am not out of pocket for that.
am out of pocket for a higher than they are supposed to be utilities and few hundred dollars for workarounds I spend money on like an Uber because I could not get to my car and some for another tenant not allowing access to things like laundry.

The repairs are are sitting undone and I have to live with them though I don't have use of some of the rental property because of it. One may cause some property damage, one is safety issue.
It has been a significant irritant for the last 6 months.

Does it matter?

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Mar 25th, 2022 11:41 am

podric [OP]: Deal Addict; Jan 31, 2022; 1253 posts; 2164 upvotes

Mar 25th, 2022 11:41 am

licenced wrote: ↑ Yes it matters. Is that how you plan on responding at a hearing if you get one? "does it matter?"

in any case, you paid nothing you get nothing.

you paid for 'higher than supposed to be utilities' unless you have a contract for a fixed cost or can prove the landlord is overbilling your share of consumed utilities, you get nothing.

You paid out of pocket for someone else's expenses you get nothing from the landlord - your philanthropy is not his issue.

You want compensation for unstated things, without a contract to perform a service you get nothing.

If the property was in disrepair and it interferred with your use of same you may get a bit.

You file and lose the case, you pay his fees.

Good luck to you!

Not a great response there, in all honesty you are being quite the jerk as you have no idea what I would file or what the issues are and you didn't even answer the question. You are just bitching.

"How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?"

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Mar 25th, 2022 11:43 am

podric [OP]: Deal Addict; Jan 31, 2022; 1253 posts; 2164 upvotes

Mar 25th, 2022 11:43 am

ilovetoyota wrote: ↑ This is another typical example of landlord getting tortured by tenants.

A lot of tenants never feel appreciated for landlord giving them a place to stay. If OP lives in Asia, the landlord can send him to jail already. Sigh....

Yes, I hear in some cases tenants only have to invite the landlord to dinner once a month and I heard kissing the ring was still a thing.
^^^^for those that didn't get the sarcasm in the post (Quentin?)

Mar 25th, 2022 11:44 am

podric [OP]: Deal Addict; Jan 31, 2022; 1253 posts; 2164 upvotes

Mar 25th, 2022 11:44 am

ilovetoyota wrote: ↑ This is another typical example of landlord getting tortured by tenants.

A lot of tenants never feel appreciated for landlord giving them a place to stay. If OP lives in Asia, the landlord can send him to jail already. Sigh....

Mar 25th, 2022 12:02 pm

JimJas: Sr. Member; Sep 27, 2021; 622 posts; 822 upvotes

Mar 25th, 2022 12:02 pm

podric wrote: ↑ I did not make repairs so I am not out of pocket for that.
am out of pocket for a higher than they are supposed to be utilities and few hundred dollars for workarounds I spend money on like an Uber because I could not get to my car and some for another tenant not allowing access to things like laundry.

The repairs are are sitting undone and I have to live with them though I don't have use of some of the rental property because of it. One may cause some property damage, one is safety issue.
It has been a significant irritant for the last 6 months.

Does it matter?

From what I could figure out from the above post, you are expecting to get 10K compensation for some uber expenses and laundry cost?

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Mar 25th, 2022 2:11 pm

Quentin5: Deal Expert; Feb 8, 2014; 27688 posts; 11835 upvotes; Socially Distanced

Mar 25th, 2022 2:11 pm

podric wrote: ↑
Yes, I hear in some cases tenants only have to invite the landlord to dinner once a month and I heard kissing the ring was still a thing.
^^^^for those that didn't get the sarcasm in the post (Quentin?)

My reply to him was pure sarcasm, imagine him being a real landlord.

In fact in Rand McNally they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people

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Mar 25th, 2022 2:32 pm

1xTiMeR: Deal Fanatic; Apr 25, 2006; 7967 posts; 3104 upvotes

Mar 25th, 2022 2:32 pm

Do you have exact proof that X caused by landlord you to spend Y + paper trail, with proof that X was working before, given landlord notice to fix and still neglected?

Seems like a lot of work for a few hundred bucks for something that is not so straight forward?

Like something about you paying for uber, how do you get the court to say uber charges are warranted? Why not take the TTC? that would decrease reward? How do you prove X reasonably caused you to spend Y?

"If you make a mistake but then change your ways, it is like never having made a mistake at all" - Confucius

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Mar 25th, 2022 3:47 pm

podric [OP]: Deal Addict; Jan 31, 2022; 1253 posts; 2164 upvotes

Mar 25th, 2022 3:47 pm

JimJas wrote: ↑ From what I could figure out from the above post, you are expecting to get 10K compensation for some uber expenses and laundry cost?

Hell no. That is like $200 + time.
I am not going into the stuff this guy has done or mismanaged but if he wants to blow it up or let it continue I have to go after him.

So once again for the cheap seats: "How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?"

Mar 25th, 2022 6:08 pm

niche54: Member; Nov 26, 2012; 431 posts; 471 upvotes; Toronto

Mar 25th, 2022 6:08 pm

podric wrote: ↑ So once again for the cheap seats: "How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?"

Basically impossible unless you have money and time to burn. You have to get the landlord to pay. If s/he does not, you have to go to small claims court to get an order for collection approved. Then you have to hire a sheriff to seize assets that would cover the amount owed or get a garnishment if they have employment income. Or get a collection agency to collect for you. And you can't recoup those costs, paying sheriff or collection agency, from the landlord. Landlords have to do the same if they want money from tenant.

Hence, people are saying it is not worth it....

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Mar 25th, 2022 7:11 pm

Nhuynh555: Member; Jun 2, 2011; 324 posts; 530 upvotes; Toronto

Mar 25th, 2022 7:11 pm

Tell him the 3 magic word every landlord would shit themselves if they ever heard it. I WONT MOVE. Tell him you won't be moving or paying rent until he pays you what he owes you. Am sure he'll be more then happy to settle rather then wait a year for a LTB hearing.

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Mar 26th, 2022 9:14 am

luckystrike1: Deal Addict; Nov 16, 2011; 1520 posts; 1237 upvotes; Hamilton

Mar 26th, 2022 9:14 am

If there is a judgement against the landlord in your favor and the landlord does not pay, you have the same recourse for debt recovery as for any other debt,

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Mar 26th, 2022 9:42 am

ZxExN: Deal Addict; Nov 30, 2005; 1857 posts; 1443 upvotes; Ottawa, ON

Mar 26th, 2022 9:42 am

podric wrote: ↑ Not a great response there, in all honesty you are being quite the jerk as you have no idea what I would file or what the issues are and you didn't even answer the question. You are just bitching.

"How does one force a landlord to pay the LTB award?"

No his response was actually pretty bang on. You really haven't provided any meaningful detail as to what the neglect is that would constitute an award of "north of 10k" would be. Do you want to waste time and potentially thousands in legal fees to go after the landlord for what you claim were about a few hundred is cost? Suggest you just take a deep breath, go enjoy some fresh air and move on with your life.

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