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Guaranteed Basic Income

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Nov 24, 2013
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If done well, this would be a welcome development.
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lpin14 wrote: If done well, this would be a welcome development.
It won't be done well.
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Jul 30, 2015
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No thank you.
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We already have Guaranteed Basic Income that one can apply for. It is called welfare.
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Oh good, can't wait to hear all the nuanced debate on this from the armchair economists on RFD
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Janus2faced wrote: anyone on RFD know someone that is one of the 5% of the population that is on welfare

"according to the National Council on Welfare, roughly 5 percent of the Canadian population (about 1.7 mil- lion people) currently relies on public social assistance pro- grams, and welfare incomes have been eroding since the mid-1990s
"

single with no disability gets approx $10,000/yr, varies province to province
Yes. I know several and work with more.
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JMik wrote: Oh good, can't wait to hear all the nuanced debate on this from the armchair economists on RFD
We are already have a thread on basic income, so why is there a new one?

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Have a nice day!


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lpin14 wrote: If done well, this would be a welcome development.
Do you expect that everything in your current life will stay the same except for the addition of a basic income?
Where do you think the wealth is going to come from to fund the basic income?
Are you okay with living in a world where you will own nothing?
Are you okay with living in a world where there is very limited choice when it comes to purchasing consumables and services?
What happens to economies and consumers when there is limited or no competition for suppliers?
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choclover wrote: Do you expect that everything in your current life will stay the same except for the addition of a basic income?
Where do you think the wealth is going to come from to fund the basic income?
Are you okay with living in a world where you will own nothing?
Are you okay with living in a world where there is very limited choice when it comes to purchasing consumables and services?
What happens to economies and consumers when there is limited or no competition for suppliers?
Why do you think these would be the consequences of UBI?
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Feb 4, 2019
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A few years ago I watched a documentary about basic income and there was a segment about one of the few actual implementations of guaranteed basic income that is in place today which - to my surprise - is in Alaska.

The Alaska Permanent Fund is funded by oil revenues and its main purpose is paying out the annual Permanent Fund Dividend to every resident of Alaska. It's pretty much unconditional, as long as you've lived in AK for at least one year without being in prison you are entitled to the dividend.

They interviewed a typical conservative Alaskan, who explained that he was proud to receive the PFD because rather than trusting the Alaskan government with spending state oil revenue, Alaskan residents benefit directly from it and decide how it is spent. He said it fit with his conservative ideas about government.

When asked about the idea of a Guaranteed Basic Income, his response was that he was against it because it was a socialist thing and he was against everything socialist! Face With Tears Of Joy

Just goes to say that how you frame basic income can make a big difference in how people perceive the idea.
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rhw123 wrote: A few years ago I watched a documentary about basic income and there was a segment about one of the few actual implementations of guaranteed basic income that is in place today which - to my surprise - is in Alaska.

The Alaska Permanent Fund is funded by oil revenues and its main purpose is paying out the annual Permanent Fund Dividend to every resident of Alaska. It's pretty much unconditional, as long as you've lived in AK for at least one year without being in prison you are entitled to the dividend.

They interviewed a typical conservative Alaskan, who explained that he was proud to receive the PFD because rather than trusting the Alaskan government with spending state oil revenue, Alaskan residents benefit directly from it and decide how it is spent. He said it fit with his conservative ideas about government.

When asked about the idea of a Guaranteed Basic Income, his response was that he was against it because it was a socialist thing and he was against everything socialist! Face With Tears Of Joy

Just goes to say that how you frame basic income can make a big difference in how people perceive the idea.
In 2019 the Fund paid $1600 annually , oh sign me up for some of that. Face With Tears Of Joy
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I follow Andrew Yang and I like his stance on UBI (or as he call's it "Freedom Dividend")
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I heard about a US native tribe that had something similar.
TheZodiac wrote: In 2019 the Fund paid $1600 annually , oh sign me up for some of that. Face With Tears Of Joy
I doubt Canada can pay six times this much money ($12,000 CAD per year) with its massive amount of oil wealth that it can't sell easily.
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Oct 21, 2014
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Bill C-273 is An Act to establish a national strategy for a guaranteed basic income. It is an act to create a strategy, not the implementation of a guaranteed basic income...

As I wrote months ago in the real estate forum, in an economic system where a majority of people have only their labor to sell to generate income during a time where most of the rewards of our system go to capital owners, I believe UBI will be inevitable world wide.
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The protestant work ethic, not to mention the "need" to discriminate against minorities (not to mention the disabled) is what is holding back a UBI.
The rest is noise, fear of progress and rationalization of the status quo.
In fact in Rand McNally they wear hats on their feet and hamburders eat people
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Gungnir wrote: Bill C-273 is An Act to establish a national strategy for a guaranteed basic income. It is an act to create a strategy, not the implementation of a guaranteed basic income...
I remember seeing a picture of Trudeau at an event in support of a UBI well before he was elected. I am impressed that he has not forgotten it.
As I wrote months ago in the real estate forum, in an economic system where a majority of people have only their labor to sell to generate income during a time where most of the rewards of our system go to capital owners, I believe UBI will be inevitable world wide.
It is inevitable, but its an uphill battle because regressives will spare no weapon of war to prevent its adoption. The real impediment is the lies and smears against progress.

Yang was great in that he had no real chance of winning the presidency but he put this issue into the international consciousness. The first step to acceptance is getting the idea into the public consciousness. Exposure to the idea, time, social progress, the status quo falling apart, the old guard aging out and so forth is what will get us there.
In fact in Rand McNally they wear hats on their feet and hamburders eat people
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ShadowVlican wrote: I follow Andrew Yang and I like his stance on UBI (or as he call's it "Freedom Dividend")
Well if you want a Freedom Dividend, you can get that right away, it's called Buy Some Stonks.
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Kestral wrote: Well if you want a Freedom Dividend, you can get that right away, it's called Buy Some Stonks.
Phrasing helps sell an idea.
Its silly but when dealing with voters who fall for easy answers and smears it can be partially countered with clever phrasing.
I'd rather voters didn't fall for smears or easy answers or fear of progress but thats not the world we live in. Yang is simply putting it in a format voters can equate with.
In fact in Rand McNally they wear hats on their feet and hamburders eat people

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