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Has anyone worked 2 full time contract/full time roles in separate companies simultaneously?

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Has anyone worked 2 full time contract/full time roles in separate companies simultaneously?

Disclaimer: I would never attempt this based on various personal and morale reasons but someone I know is trying to take advantage of the rise in remote work by looking for a full time contract engagement while already being employed full time. They would be essential running with two simultaneous full time jobs and neither company would be aware of the situation . My advise to this person is don’t do it for a multitude of reasons, but they think they can pull this off. Morality aside, is this situation doomed for failure? Has anyone ever attempted this?
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Conflict of interest concerns aside, this sounds like fraud, unless the friend legitimately plans to work 80 hours a week or the work is based on completion of a specific objective and not hours per week.
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Most employment contracts will state and at best have something like "or with management approval" as a lot of people have side hustle/hobbies.

Conflict of interest but also fraud comes to mind, this isn't going to last very long. The only *possible* arrangement is if this person is incorporated in one or both, at that point the company doesn't have a say and thats how incorporated consultants should be working anyways, picking their gigs and hours.
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Honestly you/they won't last unless one of the positions is REALLY easy where they can basically automate it.

I'm currently working a full time 9-6 position, and on the side I'm the primary designer for a small company working freelance for about an hour an evening during the week and a full workday on the weekends. So call it a 55-60 hour work week. Also check the contracts you sign to make sure you're not violating the terms of employment.

Money is great, but after doing it for a year I'm pretty close to burnt out. Starting to prep my portfolio to apply for a single higher paying position to replace both.
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I work a full-time and side contractor gig (more so part-time consulting / engineering) for a company. I did get approval from my current company to do this on the side as it was in the space and potential competition. Money is good and all, I already make a good amount full-time, but wanted to challenge and help companies grow. Burnout is real though, some weeks I was putting in 50-60hrs, partially because I love to learn and absorb information. It did get very busy though and I do maintain a healthier balance of contracting now, compared to my earlier days.
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Ecsta wrote: Honestly you/they won't last unless one of the positions is REALLY easy where they can basically automate it.

I'm currently working a full time 9-6 position, and on the side I'm the primary designer for a small company working freelance for about an hour an evening during the week and a full workday on the weekends. So call it a 55-60 hour work week. Also check the contracts you sign to make sure you're not violating the terms of employment.

Money is great, but after doing it for a year I'm pretty close to burnt out. Starting to prep my portfolio to apply for a single higher paying position to replace both.
As I said in the disclaimer this is not me. Ethically what this person is proposing is not right. It didn't sound like it was a situation where they would work 'a part time contract gig on the side'. It sounded more like claiming two simultaneously 40 hr work week paychecks. I know the FT role can be demanding for them so burnout is inevitable. Their rational is if it gets to that point then he will quit one of the jobs so it appears at least for some period of time they will want to run both in parallel to test the waters
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FedExpress wrote: As I said in the disclaimer this is not me. Ethically what this person is proposing is not right. It didn't sound like it was a situation where they would work 'a part time contract gig on the side'. It sounded more like claiming two simultaneously 40 hr work week paychecks. I know the FT role can be demanding for them so burnout is inevitable. Their rational is if it gets to that point then he will quit one of the jobs so it appears at least for some period of time they will want to run both in parallel to test the waters
Most likely one of the companies will realize it and fire him with cause, he'll burn out, or he could underperform at both jobs, or both jobs might be easy enough that he can pull it of.

Depending on the language of the contracts he signs he might not even be breaking any rules, though most companies aren't that dumb.
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Heard of someone doing it as a system admin recently. Two different ticketing systems so it probably wasn't too taxing. Both roles were contracts and probably started at different periods so guess it was doable.
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onetwelve wrote: Can't help but think of the York Region Officer who worked as a realtor during his shift as an officer.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8006722/york ... -on-shift/
A similar thing happened during a major snowstorm in Montreal where the or a senior provincial police officer responsible for a stretch of highway during a major snowstorm left his post to conduct work as a real estate agent which resulted in ~300 vehicles stuck on the highway for over 12 hours

https://globalnews.ca/news/3859591/laws ... snowstorm/

https://globalnews.ca/news/3722874/no-m ... -officers/

https://www.iheartradio.ca/cjad/news/wa ... -1.2503931
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FedExpress wrote: Disclaimer: I would never attempt this based on various personal and morale reasons but someone I know is trying to take advantage of the rise in remote work by looking for a full time contract engagement while already being employed full time. They would be essential running with two simultaneous full time jobs and neither company would be aware of the situation . My advise to this person is don’t do it for a multitude of reasons, but they think they can pull this off. Morality aside, is this situation doomed for failure? Has anyone ever attempted this?
This would be highly questionable unless one of the jobs was for a specific task (like maintain a server) and not based on hours.

If one is employed for specific hours, doing anything else which takes a significant amount of time without getting permission from the company at the same time is questionable and I would say unethical.

What one does when the first company isn't paying the employee as long as there isn't any conflict of interest, I don't believe is an issue.

I used to work full-time from 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday at a company and I had a part-time job at an educational institution which was 9 hours per week (Monday to Friday where I picked the hours and the days that I showed up so I generally showed up Monday, Wednesday, and Friday from 6pm to 9pm). Neither company cared what I was doing when I wasn't employed or being paid by them as long as it didn't affect the other job and there wasn't any conflict of interest between both jobs (they were both IT jobs). I was then put on pager/emergency support at my full-time job which required me to carry a pager and respond to any call within/under 5 minutes even outside of the 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday when I was physically working in the office. For the pager support, I was being paid $50/day to carry the pager and if I got paged, I was to charge the amount of time that it took me to fix the problem. Well, I got paged once while I was working at the part time job and speaking with my supervisor about the type of work which I needed to accomplish during those 10 hours that week. He obviously didn't like it when I had to excuse myself to call the pager number. Even though I really liked my part-time job at the educational institutional and it was my only reason for working there since I didn't really need/rely on the money from that part time job, I was forced to either quit it or try to get out of the pager support. Since I couldn't get out of the pager support as it was a required task in my full-time job (rotational pager support), I made the difficult decision of quitting the part-time job that I enjoyed.
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lmcjipo wrote: This would be highly questionable unless one of the jobs was for a specific task (like maintain a server) and not based on hours.

If one is employed for specific hours, doing anything else which takes a significant amount of time without getting permission from the company at the same time is questionable and I would say unethical.

What one does when the first company isn't paying the employee as long as there isn't any conflict of interest, I don't believe is an issue.

I used to work full-time from 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday at a company and I had a part-time job at an educational institution which was 9 hours per week (Monday to Friday where I picked the hours and the days that I showed up so I generally showed up Monday, Wednesday, and Friday from 6pm to 9pm). Neither company cared what I was doing when I wasn't employed or being paid by them as long as it didn't affect the other job and there wasn't any conflict of interest between both jobs (they were both IT jobs). I was then put on pager/emergency support at my full-time job which required me to carry a pager and respond to any call within/under 5 minutes even outside of the 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday when I was physically working in the office. For the pager support, I was being paid $50/day to carry the pager and if I got paged, I was to charge the amount of time that it took me to fix the problem. Well, I got paged once while I was working at the part time job and speaking with my supervisor about the type of work which I needed to accomplish during those 10 hours that week. He obviously didn't like it when I had to excuse myself to call the pager number. Even though I really liked my part-time job at the educational institutional and it was my only reason for working there since I didn't really need/rely on the money from that part time job, I was forced to either quit it or try to get out of the pager support. Since I couldn't get out of the pager support as it was a required task in my full-time job (rotational pager support), I made the difficult decision of quitting the part-time job that I enjoyed.
You were transparent with the education institution which was the right thing to do, and once they communicated their feedback to you on the arrangement you took action that was transparent to all parties involved. (The right way to do it IMO)

In this situation the individual intensions are to be appearing available and working solely for each organization during regular business hours, and being compensated on the notion of a regular full time work week schedule by each organization. When I heard about this, it got me thinking, if there are others out there that have executed this before? I can't imagine many could sustain this type of situation. Even if they are working 24/7, eventually the stress, strain, and juggling will catch up them (karma)
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its doable, but i can see it happening with lower paying jobs but with higher paying jobs theres more demand for your work so its going to be tough, i would not do it., and yes you would burn out

i did a full time 40 hrs a week with a part time of 10 hours a week and i tried to do the PD it during the week so i would still have my weekends off, the odd time id pick up a shift on a saturday but never both weekend days your going to be burnt out working 7 days so try to have at least one day of rest when your not working trust me, health is more important than money
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It's doable but not sustainable. I've done it a few times. The longest was for about four weeks. My new employer needed me right away and my previous employer wanted me to finish off work on a project so I did. It's way harder when it's for two different companies because you have to think of two different sets of ideas rather than just one. I could easily work 16 or 20 hours on one project per day with no problems but when it is two it is a whole different story. There is sleep deprivation involved. At one point I thought my car was stolen because I walked out of my house and my car wasn't there. It turned out I left it at the office because I took a cab home - probably because I was too exhausted to drive.
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batcave wrote: It's doable but not sustainable. I've done it a few times. The longest was for about four weeks. My new employer needed me right away and my previous employer wanted me to finish off work on a project so I did. It's way harder when it's for two different companies because you have to think of two different sets of ideas rather than just one. I could easily work 16 or 20 hours on one project per day with no problems but when it is two it is a whole different story. There is sleep deprivation involved. At one point I thought my car was stolen because I walked out of my house and my car wasn't there. It turned out I left it at the office because I took a cab home - probably because I was too exhausted to drive.
What was your home situation like during the overlap of both work situations? The individual in my example is married with a 6+ year old. I am giving their ability to juggle both full time 8-5pm jobs a few months until something breaks.
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a long time ago, i did work a full time job (retail with flexible schedule shift) and went to school full time (8 months term), so, it is somewhat doable. however, given you're asking 2 full time/contract job, if there is any conflict of interests, you're gonna get fired.

example: in that retail job, i had interviewed a potential candidate what they would do with their old job if I hired them. he said he would keep the other job. let's just say, there's a conflict of interest (both are sales for same product) there and he did not move pass that 1st interview.
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CrazyJo82 wrote: a long time ago, i did work a full time job (retail with flexible schedule shift) and went to school full time (8 months term), so, it is somewhat doable. however, given you're asking 2 full time/contract job, if there is any conflict of interests, you're gonna get fired.

example: in that retail job, i had interviewed a potential candidate what they would do with their old job if I hired them. he said he would keep the other job. let's just say, there's a conflict of interest (both are sales for same product) there and he did not move pass that 1st interview.
If we are to believe the WSJ article i posted in this thread, a few white collar workers are using the work from home situation over the last 18 months to work 2 remote FTE jobs from the comfort of their home. It does seem the people interviewed know what they are doing is wrong and are afraid if they get caught they will get fired. Conflict of interest, I would say so

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