Took the words outta my mouth (or letters off my keyboard). If anything, more than ever I am anti PUBLIC SECTOR union after seeing how spoiled public sector employees have been during this pandemic when I thought we were "all in this together"...(except them apparently)retireyoung55 wrote: ↑ My view on unions hasn't changed because of the pandemic. The only place unions thrive is in government where they have no budget to live within or competition to compete against they just gouge the taxpayers more and more for poorer and poorer front line service. So what you have at the end of the day is the poorer private sector workers having to foot the bill for the privileged, fat, overpaid unionized public sector. The problem with unions is they only exist in sectors where they shouldn't.
Unions should exist in banking and other industries where there are a few hugely profitable companies that could and should be more generous to their employees. However, for the small business sector my experience is that they generally are generous with their employees particularly when you consider the budgetary pressures they are under. So when I hear unionization is good sure high living wages are definitely good but there needs to be controls on government wages, poor working class non-pensioned private sector people shouldn't subsidize the $100,000/year full pension government worker, particularly when the private sector guy is more productive than the government guy.
The government sector hasn't suffered financially because of the pandemic. Most of them were told to stay home but their pay cheques kept coming in regardless. The private sector has suffered. The same thing happens in every economic downturn. Private sector takes a big hit job losses etc, government doesn't shrink salaries don't get cut. Government is always immune for some reason. How is that fair?
Why can't we do both? The jobs of the future are still going to require protections. It's easier to negotiate when you have real leverage. As it stands, the power dynamic right now is way too isolated in favour of corporations.bhrm wrote: ↑ Layoffs will continue to happen from automation of jobs. Government and business really need to spend more time and money on reskilling and retraining people, especially those in labour intensive low skilled work.
Banks are pretty notorious still for lacking automation but eventually those jobs will go. Mortgage updates are manually processed and they still make mistakes with numbers, decimals and commas... I had to change my house closing date because someone manually input a date wrong.
Rather than "protect" jobs, we need to create jobs for the future.
I'm not pro or anti union (depends where....) but i wish everyone put more effort on being productive for future generations.
Businesses are making people come into work in less than stellar conditions. Half ass the PPE and protections for their workers. Threaten of cut backs, get bailed out by government but still lay a large sum of people off. Lay people off and use COVID as cover for that. Forcing people to work longer hours.
bhrm wrote: ↑ Layoffs will continue to happen from automation of jobs. Government and business really need to spend more time and money on reskilling and retraining people, especially those in labour intensive low skilled work.
Banks are pretty notorious still for lacking automation but eventually those jobs will go. Mortgage updates are manually processed and they still make mistakes with numbers, decimals and commas... I had to change my house closing date because someone manually input a date wrong.
Rather than "protect" jobs, we need to create jobs for the future.
I'm not pro or anti union (depends where....) but i wish everyone put more effort on being productive for future generations.
Unions caused the virus.....now hear me out.
I don't think anyone is prepared for a real pandemic, you can't just fault any one particular group of people.JayLove06 wrote: ↑ Businesses are making people come into work in less than stellar conditions. Half ass the PPE and protections for their workers. Threaten of cut backs, get bailed out by government but still lay a large sum of people off. Lay people off and use COVID as cover for that. Forcing people to work longer hours.
We knew these companies didn’t care about employees, but the pandemic shows us thry don’t even care whether we live or die. Not all companies, but many.
lol
The idea behind unions is fine, but most of the implementation in Canada and the US are really messed up. They become cartels essentially that benefits the people in them at the expense of people outside. And like someone said, is especially toxic in the public sector because the incentives aren’t at all aligned. At least in private companies unions want to make sure the company can financially survive. Public sector unions just holds the public hostage. No wonder people are made at them.
I agree. I think the idea is great but unions can get too big, too powerful. Completely agree.Gorbers wrote: ↑ The idea behind unions is fine, but most of the implementation in Canada and the US are really messed up. They become cartels essentially that benefits the people in them at the expense of people outside. And like someone said, is especially toxic in the public sector because the incentives aren’t at all aligned. At least in private companies unions want to make sure the company can financially survive. Public sector unions just holds the public hostage. No wonder people are made at them.
I know you are pro-union, and you are also pro-UBI, correct? Both are out of touch idea, IMO.MyNameWasTaken wrote: ↑ I'm pro-union and strongly hope that workers organize once the dust settles. It's clear the government is only willing/or can do so much, and every year these large corporations use our resources and have no problem laying people off for the myth of endless growth/profitability.
What say you?
retireyoung55 wrote: ↑ My view on unions hasn't changed because of the pandemic. The only place unions thrive is in government where they have no budget to live within or competition to compete against they just gouge the taxpayers more and more for poorer and poorer front line service. So what you have at the end of the day is the poorer private sector workers having to foot the bill for the privileged, fat, overpaid unionized public sector.
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