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Aug 2, 2013
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Hi Aaron,

Sorry about that. I understand.

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD11414334
This one because of astor ideal. I think that would mean that it's quality of cut is great. It is also the most expensive.

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD12431787

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD12903585

The colors seem close and carat size is relatively close.

Is there one that's obviously better than other?
I am also wondering if Astor Ideal is something I should pay premium for over Ideal given that the Depth %, Table % are within the ranges recommended in the summary post.
I usually try to narrow my search with these parameters

Color (F-H)
Clarity (Vs2 - VVS1)

Depth % - 59-60.5
Table % - 54-59

I appreciate your help and comments.

Thanks,
Varun
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davesaver wrote: Hi Aaron,

Sorry about that. I understand.

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD11414334
This one because of astor ideal. I think that would mean that it's quality of cut is great. It is also the most expensive.

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD12431787

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD12903585

The colors seem close and carat size is relatively close.

Is there one that's obviously better than other?
I am also wondering if Astor Ideal is something I should pay premium for over Ideal given that the Depth %, Table % are within the ranges recommended in the summary post.
I usually try to narrow my search with these parameters

Color (F-H)
Clarity (Vs2 - VVS1)

Depth % - 59-60.5
Table % - 54-59

I appreciate your help and comments.

Thanks,
Varun
Personally I wouldn’t pay the extra price for Astor ideal they are typically nicely cut but you can find diamonds as well cut without the branding premium.

For the other options GVVS or even VS1 is overkill for the size but if that is important in your purchase then it might be worth it to you. The second option looks to have an above average cut on paper but the face up size is a bit small as it is deeper cut and a steep crown.

The third option I would avoid as the table is quite large, it is shallow with a shallow crown so it may look flat.

Good luck
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Anew789 wrote: HI,

Thank you for spending the time and helping us out!
I'm currently looking at:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-7854881
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-7854786
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-8029460
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-8029440

Let me know what you think. Much Appreciated.

Regards,

Alan
With diamonds on James Allen the issues is that the certificates are conceiled so I cant really give any meaning info as all the pertinent info is on the certificate.
From what little I can tell:

The first and second diamonds are old versions of lab grown diamonds where the inclusions are pieces of metal flux (the black needle like inclusions you see) these are almost never sold any more and definitely not
good value as the price they are offered at.
The third diamond looks to have a bit of a hazy appearance, you might want to confirm this.
The last diamond the only thing I can see is that it is not the greatest cut as there is alot of light leakage in the table.

With lab grown diamonds there is alot to know, even more than with natural diamonds. They are not graded by the better labs (GIA and AGS) so you have to watch out for;
-color tinges, blue, brown, grey ect
-color and clarity being inaccurate
-old versions with odd structure and inclusions
-whether they are hpht treated to improve the color
and many more
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Anew789 wrote: Thanks for the response. Which sites provide more value for lab diamonds?
It’s tricky because with most of the sites I don’t know who the manufacturers they work. This is important as there is a huge range or quality among producers. Poorer quality lab grown diamonds can have weird visible tinges (blue, grey), irregular inclusions like metal flux, and some not entirely made of carbon. As well because the price depends on color and clarity you want to know the grading is accurate.

Sorry I wish there was an easy answer but because labgrown are so new there is a lot of variation and it is very hard at the consumer level to differentiate “good value”
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Sep 16, 2013
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What are your thoughts on this one price wise? It about the size and type of what I'm seeking (not too many crystals, needles etc) and in my budget range (https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-det ... BudgetSize) (GIA report link is still there in the bottom left).

I am looking at insurance options and I see that blue nile does appraisals on engagement rings and pairs with Jewelers Mutual for insurance based off the appraisal included in a blue nile order. I am wondering if there is a concern that blue nile might over-inflate the appraisal such that cost of insurance from JM would be inflated as well. On the other hand, I would think blue nile is well established enough to be using independent appraisers for their appraisal and/or their appraisals are generally accepted by other insurance companies beyond JM?

Thank you!
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Jamin25 wrote: What are your thoughts on this one price wise? It about the size and type of what I'm seeking (not too many crystals, needles etc) and in my budget range (https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-det ... BudgetSize) (GIA report link is still there in the bottom left).

I am looking at insurance options and I see that blue nile does appraisals on engagement rings and pairs with Jewelers Mutual for insurance based off the appraisal included in a blue nile order. I am wondering if there is a concern that blue nile might over-inflate the appraisal such that cost of insurance from JM would be inflated as well. On the other hand, I would think blue nile is well established enough to be using independent appraisers for their appraisal and/or their appraisals are generally accepted by other insurance companies beyond JM?

Thank you!
The question about price is kind of two pronged. For this exact diamond the price charged on Blue Nile is reasonable. When comparing this diamond against other options It is not something I would personally suggest to any of our clients.
Reasons being:
-You are paying a big premium for D color when in truth an F color would look pretty much identical, and you could get a great looking diamond around the G-I range for much less that would give you much better value.
-For clarity VS1 is massively over kill as a nice SI1 and possibly SI2 would look the exact same without magnification.
*If for some reason you are really set on these high specs knowing that they will make basically no difference in the look of the diamond (sparkly and brilliance is all in the cut) then they might be a good choice for you.
-The diamond has strong fluorescence, so you will definitely want to make sure this dosent cause a milky appearance. As well you will want to confirm that it dosent cause what is called over blue, where the diamond shows
a noticeable blue tinge when in high UV environments. Another possible downside to diamond with strong fluorescence is that the color grade of the diamond could be influenced by this. GIA has UV in their color grading environment so it is
possible that a higher grade was given because of the UV, without UV it is possible there could be as much as a 2 grade difference.
-Lastly the diamond isnt cut fantastically, the pavilion angle is quite steep and the table is on the larger side. These are specs you usually want for lower color diamonds as it increases brilliance in favor of fire and scintillation (sparkle).
I attached an image below showing what is called an ASET image which simply put color codes the brightness of the light coming off the diamond. The first ASET is an example of a perfect cut diamond, the second is the one you are considering.
You can see that there are large areas of green around the edge which means the diamond will show less bright in this area, as well there is contrast that shouldn't be there in the table area as well as it bright a bit less bright. This is important as
a diamonds main job is to show brilliance and sparkle so this is something I typically suggest optimizing.

On the positive side:
-the face up size is pretty good for 1.5ct
-seems to be a nice VS1

With the insurance, your correct it is typically hard to get the insurance company to pay the full appraised value in the event of loss ect. My suggestion would be to insure the ring based on the invoice value as the premium is reflective of the value
and no sense paying more if you wont get that amount on a claim. Im not sure if Blue Nile get a discount for you from jewelers mutual but you can get a quote directly with them to compare. Overall thought I have send clients to JM for years and
have also done many claims with them and they are an excellent combination of service and value.

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JeffEdmonton wrote: Hi - Many thanks for all your help in this thread.

What are your thoughts on this one? https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-7919904

Thanks :)
Hi Jeff,

Unfortunately with James Allen I cant see the report details and in this case the price is also concealed so I really cant offer any meaningful insight as there is no info.
The inclusions look to be rods of metal flux which is typical of very early production lab grown diamonds as this is rarely found now a days. These are usually sold at a huge discount
as they have many issues from when the technology was way behind.

If you are able to get the report and pricing info I can offer some better insight
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Can anyone recommend a shop, or a few, for repairing or servicing an engagement ring in Toronto area?
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Apr 9, 2018
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Hi there thediamondshopper,

Thanks so much for keeping this thread updated for so many years. I've gone through almost the whole thread and there's been some extremely useful information.


I'm looking to get a 2ct round diamond and was wondering if you could take a look at this one from Blue Nile: https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD13233490


Edit: there is also this one from JA: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-7558014

Both are graded as an SI1 but from the video it looks pretty clean (to my untrained eye).


Would this be good value for something around that price range?

Out of the two, which one would you recommend?


Thanks again.
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Mar 1, 2014
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Hi there the diamondshopper,

I am currently contemplating this diamond. It is graded S1, and I feel the clarity (E) and the cut (excellent) makes this a good choice. Please let me know your opinion, and whether I can do better? I am trying to get close to 1ct diamond, without exceeding the budget ($6.0K for the engagement ring with the diamond, without compromising on the style, cut, and clarity).

Thanks again for your assistance.

Kind regards,

Ashank
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Dec 3, 2019
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Hello,

I've been reading your thread, especially the part about not picking the cheapest diamond based on inputs and chose this engagement ring:

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... k=Detlink0

Please let me know what you think.
I'm trying to get best value for money. I don't want to pay for things untrained eye can't see.

1. Blue Nile offered to have their people take a look at the diamond to make sure it's eye-clean before I buy it.

2. I paired color J with a good table and depth from your first post. Am I right?

3. Verifying the Diamond at home:
-What type of magnifying glass is there, maybe on Amazon for me to read the serial number? I think the inclusions are too small for an amateur to verify?

4. Diamond falling off the ring:
-Is this type of a ring durable will it hold the diamond in place?

Thank you
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Jun 5, 2017
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if my budget is only around 2k for a set ring, can i get a decent diamond for that or is it better to go for some alternative gemstone?

Wondering if blue topaz with small diamond accents or moissanite is the way to go instead.

i would think if the diamond is smaller than 0.75 ct it would look too petite on her.

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