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Have you started gearing up for second wave?

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sponge5307 wrote: Also what if people work and live in different cities? Is Ford going to deny people from working?
Exactly. Also better come up with a better program than CERB for the second wave because everyone wipp be back home. And yeah say goodbye to the small business
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I was having a conversation today with one of my customer who is the manager for Superstore. I made an offhanded comment about how I hope people don't panic buy and hoard things again so we don't have to go thru that fiasco of empty shelves again that we had 6 months ago. His comment was it's already started. As soon as Ford made that comment yesterday about being willing to lockdown again, they had a run on the same things they did last time. He told me if I wanted anything to do it in the next day or two, before it becomes a real issue again
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bas00m wrote: Exactly. Also better come up with a better program than CERB for the second wave because everyone wipp be back home. And yeah say goodbye to the small business
This could have been avoided if they didn't open too soon and gradually did it with proper rules in place. Rules that can be enforced.

But greed is greed. There should be massive fines being handed to business that have poor safety procedures and should be closed down for two weeks at the very least(ie. Brass Rail).

That way the one's that do follow can remain open and will continue to be vigilant.
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bas00m wrote: Exactly. Also better come up with a better program than CERB for the second wave because everyone wipp be back home. And yeah say goodbye to the small business
we shall know about the new program next week. but the word is that it is going to be less than 2000 per month which I find it hard to believe,
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bas00m wrote: we shall know about the new program next week. but the word is that it is going to be less than 2000 per month which I find it hard to believe,
what's so hard to believe. Part time work was earning less than 2k a month and all of a sudden they get more if they were to work. So why work now? Sit back and get more money who wouldn't want it. Should be reduce to 1k a month and then each week is $100 less till it hits 0.
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sponge5307 wrote: what's so hard to believe. Part time work was earning less than 2k a month and all of a sudden they get more if they were to work. So why work now? Sit back and get more money who wouldn't want it. Should be reduce to 1k a month and then each week is $100 less till it hits 0.
I can just see tax instalments being severely increased for next year - too sad for those who can't claim anything - this is socialism. Work like a dog for decades, live a frugal lifestyle and save for retirement, and when you can't work due to age, pay high taxes off your miserable RRSP due to this virus. It's not only Covid-19 that's killing the seniors.
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Catnippy wrote: I can just see tax instalments being severely increased for next year - too sad for those who can't claim anything - this is socialism. Work like a dog for decades, live a frugal lifestyle and save for retirement, and when you can't work due to age, pay high taxes off your miserable RRSP due to this virus. It's not only Covid-19 that's killing the seniors.
Huh? Not sure what you are trying to say here.

Increased Tax installments don't mean you have paid more tax and No one should be paying higher taxes on an RRSP. The entire premise of an RRSP is to defer taxes until you are in a lower bracket.
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sponge5307 wrote: what's so hard to believe. Part time work was earning less than 2k a month and all of a sudden they get more if they were to work. So why work now? Sit back and get more money who wouldn't want it. Should be reduce to 1k a month and then each week is $100 less till it hits 0.
The average rent is 1500 so if they lower the new cerb to 1500 then how will ppl pay rent. The government is not helping by saying that more fines for gathering and all that stuff because to a business owner that sends off a lot of flags and if they were thinking of hiring they will wait a bit longer now and postpone any hiring thus no work.
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HghSsociety wrote: Huh? Not sure what you are trying to say here.

Increased Tax installments don't mean you have paid more tax and No one should be paying higher taxes on an RRSP. The entire premise of an RRSP is to defer taxes until you are in a lower bracket.
I'm saying that in order to address the deficit, by the time we draw out of our RRSPs, the tax rates will have increased far above what they are now. And the depression is impacting returns on RRSPs.
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People are definitely hoarding and stocking up for the "inevitable" second wave. Why do I say this? I tagged along with my friend earlier today who has a Costco membership to do some shopping. Anyway, it's been months since my last visit to Costco and I couldn't believe how packed the store was. In fact, I would say it was more packed than a regular Saturday afternoon pre-COVID. Not only were people buying up everything in the store, I felt very unsafe with it being packed like sardines on a Wednesday afternoon around 1:30pm. Not cool.
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Mr_Fanta wrote: People are definitely hoarding and stocking up for the "inevitable" second wave. Why do I say this? I tagged along with my friend earlier today who has a Costco membership to do some shopping. Anyway, it's been months since my last visit to Costco and I couldn't believe how packed the store was. In fact, I would say it was more packed than a regular Saturday afternoon pre-COVID. Not only were people buying up everything in the store, I felt very unsafe with it being packed like sardines on a Wednesday afternoon around 1:30pm. Not cool.
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HghSsociety wrote: I was having a conversation today with one of my customer who is the manager for Superstore. I made an offhanded comment about how I hope people don't panic buy and hoard things again so we don't have to go thru that fiasco of empty shelves again that we had 6 months ago. His comment was it's already started. As soon as Ford made that comment yesterday about being willing to lockdown again, they had a run on the same things they did last time. He told me if I wanted anything to do it in the next day or two, before it becomes a real issue again
We never had "empty shelves" in the sense that there was no food; it was only a few items that were unavailable, with alternatives readily available.
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ConsoleWatcher wrote: We never had "empty shelves" in the sense that there was no food; it was only a few items that were unavailable, with alternatives readily available.
Maybe it’s different in Ottawa but in the early days of the shutdown we had empty shelves at grocery stores here. And these were staple items (bread, produce, meat, eggs). It did stabilize eventually but it took a while. And we still haven’t fully recovered when it comes to cleaning supplies.
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ConsoleWatcher wrote: We never had "empty shelves" in the sense that there was no food; it was only a few items that were unavailable, with alternatives readily available.

Not sure where you are but as the poster above me said we had empty shelves for a while. No meats, no breads or pastas, no cleaners Anything frozen was wiped out. There was no toilet paper or paper towels to be found anywhere due to panic buying and hoarders. I had to go into the grocery stores daily due to work so it's not like I went in once a week and it just happened to be the day they were out of stock. I was in the grocery stores 6 days a week for about 2 months straight due to work.

Doors would open at 7am and there would be 50 different people rushing to the back to see if they had any toilet paper or cleaning supplies. It was a mess.

I went into the store yesterday to buy some Toilet paper so I didn't have to deal with the same issue again and most of the toilet paper was gone. Everything else was in ample supply but that's exactly how it started last time. I walked into the aisle with my wife and looked at her and her mouth opened and her jaw dropped and her words were "F**k, here we go again"
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bas00m wrote: The average rent is 1500 so if they lower the new cerb to 1500 then how will ppl pay rent. The government is not helping by saying that more fines for gathering and all that stuff because to a business owner that sends off a lot of flags and if they were thinking of hiring they will wait a bit longer now and postpone any hiring thus no work.
And who will foot the bill in the end? Tax payers of course. So why should people who are risking their lives working be punish more? Why should people do more OT coz there is a shortage of workers are getting ding. Beside during March to Sept don't have to pay rent and won't get evicted. That's 9k in savings. If rent is too much then maybe is time to move? I still have friends who shares a rental apartment with 2 to 3 other people and rent is not $1500 is more $600. Sure you really only get a room and the rest of the space is shared but when you need to save/can't afford a place by yourself you have to do what you have to do.

And there are still jobs out there. Close relatives just landed a job in Sept and my Cousin Pizza place have been trying to hire to people but no luck coz no one wants to work.

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