RYOBI 18V Cordless 2-Tool Combo Kit - Drill/Driver, Impact Driver, (2) 1.5 Ah Batteries - $128

mikka2017 wrote: ↑ i got this two weeks ago with the 20%off code and 5$ newsletter HD ecode...110 all in i think, it won't take off my lugnutz tho! might be YMMV if i can or can't, im using a socket key as well and a 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch hex shank adapter

might work if u use a 4ah battery and NO socket key

mikka2017 wrote: ↑ it won't take off my lugnutz tho!

mikka2017 wrote: ↑ i got this two weeks ago with the 20%off code and 5$ newsletter HD ecode...110 all in i think, it won't take off my lugnutz tho! might be YMMV if i can or can't, im using a socket key as well and a 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch hex shank adapter

might work if u use a 4ah battery and NO socket key

d_henri wrote: ↑ It shouldn't either... It's not intended for such a use. You can use a breaker bar to start loosening them and then you can use the driver to facilitate the removal.

Cheers,

In4mer514 wrote: ↑ Legend says there used to be a coupon for 20 percent for ryobi tools.

XxXSnake23XxX wrote: ↑ Is this going to be the running gag the rest of the year and anytime someone posts a ryobi deal will get down voted?

Coupon is gone, get over it

XxXSnake23XxX wrote: ↑ Is this going to be the running gag the rest of the year and anytime someone posts a ryobi deal will get down voted?

Coupon is gone, get over it

Gangsta101 wrote: ↑ You are 100% correct that this Ryobi driver is not designed for removing bolts that require high torque.
I am in the market for power tools and i really don't see a need to have separate impact wrenches and drivers. With clever electronics one tool should be able to deliver mild torque for everyday driving, while still being capable of ramping up to 220ft/lbs to take off stubborn nuts.
I haven't found any yet (this bosch driver maxes out at 150ft/lbs), but at least I know it exists)

ES_Revenge wrote: ↑ The Bosch Connected Freak you linked to is probably the best idea if you really want a dual-use tool. It's not as strong but did bust 275lb*ft in this test. The great thing about the Bosch "Freak" design is you don't have any adapters to break apart. Not nearly as strong as the Ridgid Octane R86039, Milwaukee M18 2850 (not in that test but tested separately by same publication at 375ft*ft breaking torque), the Skil 20V, or the Milwaukee M18 Fuel 2853, but it's not bad, you don't have to worry about adapters, and seems like it fits the bill.

Keep in mind that pretty much any tool that you are looking for here will be brushless.

Gangsta101 wrote: ↑ Yeah i looked in adapters and quickly decided they were a cause for concern. They cause everything to wobble and are possible source of catastrophic failure with higher torque demands.
And yes only a brushless design will do, if nothing else, just to future-proof my toolkit.
The ridgid combo plus impact wrench deal would have been perfect, but I wish the impact wrench was more powerful. Maybe I can return just the wrench and add something extra and get the Octane or Gen5X wrench. Decisions decisions

ES_Revenge wrote: ↑ If you choose the 3/8" impact wrench as the free tool, I'd say it's plenty powerful for what you are looking for. From what I've seen the M12 stubby can only outdo it with a higher-rated battery (i.e M12 XC 6.0Ah) so it's pretty similar to that tool I would say. If anything the weakest link in the subcompact line is the impact driver though you can't separate that out with the return trick because the drill, driver, charger, and batteries are all one item/box. If you need something more powerful than the R87207 (subcompact impact wrench), you will probably need to step up to a real "mid-torque" 1/2" drive impact wrench like the R86011 or the M18 2860. It's a bit of a jump but there's not really much in between.

I don't think brushless really has anything to do with "future proofing" in this case. It has to do with the fact that brushed tools are simply not going to do the job that you're after. That said if you're actually entertaining using more than one tool it doesn't matter as much, but for the additional power and longer battery life...I don't know why anyone bothers with brushed tools. I know they're cheap but the majority of them are crap. I wouldn't even be buying cordless tools at all if it weren't for the fact that both Li-Ion batteries and brushless-motor-performance are both now widely available and relatively affordable. Powerful and usable cordless tools are not exactly exorbitantly priced anymore.

Of course in the end if the tool does what you want it to, that's great and all you need. But personally there's not many brushed-motor tools, of this nature at least, that will perform as well as I want.

Ecsta wrote: ↑ I'm very happy with the 1/2" M12 stubby impact wrench.. I was worried it'd struggle with my 100 ft/lb nuts but it took them off no trouble whatsoever, so I'm hoping should still have enough torque to take them off after a winter. Worst case I have the breaker bar. Got it because I loved the small size and like taking my wheels off to clean them in the summer. Looking for a deal on the brushless m12 drill/driver combo but it seems like I missed most of the really good deals on them. Is it worth it for the m12 fuel (or whatever their premium m12 line is called - I think brushless is the main difference right?)

Gellar wrote: ↑ You night need the wrench. I have the brushless impact drill and it struggled changing tires so I got the wrench when it went on sale

d_henri wrote: ↑ It shouldn't either... It's not intended for such a use. You can use a breaker bar to start loosening them and then you can use the driver to facilitate the removal.

Cheers,

Ecsta wrote: ↑ This is a drill and impact driver. For lug nuts you want an impact wrench.

ES_Revenge wrote: ↑ Hmm yeah the $300 June deal was really good if you wanted the 2504 & 2553 kit as you could have gotten the 2557 Fuel ratchet as the free tool; now the free tool choice with the $200 batteries kit is the non-Fuel ratchet--the only tool they changed of the "free" choices Guess that would have made the $200 deal too good, lol. I bought the $200 kit though, with the saw (for max. return value) and then return tricked that to net the battery/starter kit for ~$115.

I think your stubby will do okay with the lugs after winter though you really ought to use a 4.0Ah+ battery for best output with it. As long as no "mechanics" have at your car with the air gun, you should be fine I'd say; if it struggles, upgrade to a 4.0 or 6.0 XC battery if you don't already have one.

If you feel like you don't need both the M12 impact and the hammer drill you can get either/or in the "special buy" kits for $129. After a lot of pondering, I bit the bullet on the 2504 (hammer drill) kit...so yeahhh now I have that as my first M12 tool...three batteries, one tool I'm going to pickup the 2564 angle impact too, though it is a bit pricey If you did want the 2553 (driver) you could also get both kits for $260 which is less than the $300 kit but that kit comes with 1x2.0Ah and 1x4.0Ah and a blow-molded case instead of a bag (I prefer the latter by far though). These are not "GOAT" deals but if you just want one of the two of these, the $129 special buy seems pretty decent as it's basically cheaper than the bare-tool price but with a [2.0] battery, charger, and bag.

If you just want an impact driver you also could go with the M18 2850 I mentioned, instead of the M12 2553. This one is not Fuel though and it's single speed motor w/o any modes but it's pretty fast and powerful given it's an M18 brushless tool. It's available in a "special buy" kit for $150 at HD. Again this is not a killer deal but it's not terrible for an M18 brushless. I had actually bought this one earlier but after ending up with three [Ridgid] impact wrenches I returned this one unopened.

As for the question about Fuel, yeah the Fuels are essentially their top level or most recent gen/tech, whether in the M12 or M18 line. Basically represents their most compact/powerful tool of that type, in that line. The Fuels also have more features as you can see in my example of the 2850, it doesn't have the modes or features of the 2553 (M12 Fuel) or 2853 (M18 Fuel) impact drivers. I think all Fuel-branded tools are brushless where applicable, but there are also non-Fuel brushless examples as well (2850 is one such example).

Note that there's also Fuel + OneKey which are typically the same as the non-OneKey counterpart just with the BT features added. Also for the impact drivers there's two Fuels for each of M12 and M18...one is the standard one and the other is the hydraulic version, called "Surge". The Surge are slightly less powerful/less RPM, but they are around 10dB quieter, which is quite a bit in the real world.

Ecsta wrote: ↑ Amazing... Thanks for all the info appreciate it.

I didn't even notice the $129 kit at all, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.. I was just comparing bare tools to the $300 kit. I have 1 4Ah and 1 2Ah battery already with the stubby (for lugs I do use the 4Ah), is the same thing true for the driver/drill?

Ecsta wrote: ↑I just got a house with a partially unfinished basement.. so planning to take my time and do as much as I can (framing/drywall/finishing), so I expect I'll need both and much more tools eventually haha. For the time being I think ill get more use out of the driver with moving.

Ecsta wrote: ↑Since you seem to know your tools..

Ecsta wrote: ↑What kind of bits do you recommend for the driver? I was looking at a small Milwaukee shockwave set to get started for the driver.

Ecsta wrote: ↑Probably will end up with an M18 something eventually, but right now I think im going to try to stay within the M12 line and corded so I dont wind up with a bunch of different battery systems.