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Honda CR-V 2017-2020 Oil Dilution? Should I buy?

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I am in the process of getting a new/used car. My wife and I really like the Honda CR-V ( It's spacious, drives nice, and has some nice features in the EX-L and Touring trim compared to other compact SUVs). I have been doing research and saw that many people are complaining about oil dilution with the 1.5 Turbo engine. Cold weather, idling, and driving short distances cause it from what I read. My Grocery store is right around the corner, if it's an issue with driving short distances I don't want to have to drive around 5-10 minutes before I can actually shop. I'm not sure if all the reviews and forums I am reading are just those "needles in a hay stack" as well. CRV and Civics are recalled in China and banned from being sold but Honda hasn't made a recall in North America yet and probably won't until people start dying or hurt. Any thoughts? Anyone else in Ontario or GTA specific have had this issue?
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There's a HUGE thread here. Yes oil dilution is real and you may or may not experience it, but there's a good chance. Honda has a defective design with their turbo engines and are trying bandaid solutions to the point where cabin heat is an issue in winter. Do you really want to take this chance? Are you a gambler? LOL

My suggestion. STAY AWAY from any turbo honda.
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EP32k2 wrote: There's a HUGE thread here. Yes oil dilution is real and you may or may not experience it, but there's a good chance. Honda has a defective design with their turbo engines and are trying bandaid solutions to the point where cabin heat is an issue in winter. Do you really want to take this chance? Are you a gambler? LOL

My suggestion. STAY AWAY from any turbo honda.
You didn't post the link. Yes, avoid these engines until they really fix the problem.
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hightech wrote: You didn't post the link. Yes, avoid these engines until they really fix the problem.
Done.
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Not all 1.5 turbos have the problem.
Cold weather operations are a problem, even after the recalls were done. The engine is so small that iit just does not produce enough heat, especially n cold weather. Not much heat coming out of the interior vents.
Oil dilution is also a problem especially if you are doing short drives a d not getting the engine up to temperature and keeping it there for a while. The gas "blow by" on start needs to evaporate and that only happens if the engine gets hot and stays hot for a while.
I had a 2017 and after a year and a half, 10K kms , had done 6 oil changes for dilution and had the recalls done and it was no better. I got rid of it and got a Subaru Crosstrek to replace it.
So, I would not recommend getting a 2016 to 2019 CR-V.
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buying any vehicle is a gamble.
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Thanks! I didn't realize there was already a post about that here. I think I'll take this advice and keep looking for something else. Really Appreciate it
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Like Pete, I had a similar experience. Running the car an extra 10 mins didn't make a difference. What was worse is the winter... the engine could warm-up but the heating inside the car always struggled.

The 2017-2020 CR-V is just not worth it. Rav-4, used RX350, used RDX, Forester or Crosstek, etc.. could all be solid choices.
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Pete_Coach wrote: Not all 1.5 turbos have the problem.
Cold weather operations are a problem, even after the recalls were done. The engine is so small that iit just does not produce enough heat, especially n cold weather. Not much heat coming out of the interior vents.
Oil dilution is also a problem especially if you are doing short drives a d not getting the engine up to temperature and keeping it there for a while. The gas "blow by" on start needs to evaporate and that only happens if the engine gets hot and stays hot for a while.
I had a 2017 and after a year and a half, 10K kms , had done 6 oil changes for dilution and had the recalls done and it was no better. I got rid of it and got a Subaru Crosstrek to replace it.
So, I would not recommend getting a 2016 to 2019 CR-V.
When I compare the CR-V, I compare it to my 2012 Camry LE 4 Cyl engine with 170K which has no oil dilution issue, or problems with heating. During the winter, I just drive about 8 km and leave my car at the local Go Station. Sitting over 12 hours outside in super cold days, I don't have oil issues or heating problems and this is a good example of short trips and lack of heating that would be the cause in Honda. Frankly, Honda dropped the ball here and the fanboys and other customers who spent $40K+ on a vehicle with "Honda Reliability" are getting $crewed over. $40K might not be a big amount of money to many people, but it sure as heck is for me!

Sorry to hear that you had to trade a vehicle in after 3 years because of this problem. Honda used to make some decent vehicles 15 years ago. It is sad to see a decline in quality on one of Japan's top vehicle manufacturers.
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hightech wrote: When I compare the CR-V, I.......

Sorry to hear that you had to trade a vehicle in after 3 years because of this problem. Honda used to make some decent vehicles 15 years ago. It is sad to see a decline in quality on one of Japan's top vehicle manufacturers.
I only had it for 1 1/2 years. Spent too much time n the shop. The Honda 1.5 L turbo engine in the CR-V was a huge problem (apparently it was a prob;em in other models too but the CR-V took the brunt of the complaints). They even shut down production of the CR-V in China and japan until they could resolve the issue. They re-opened production but the problem remained. The problem seemed to be in cold climate areas, Canada, China, northern US

I now have the, Subaru which was my # 2 choice when researching a crossover but the CR-V had more bells and whistles so, it won the competition LOL.

Crosstrek was a close second and now that I have one, I wished I would have gotten it instead of the CR-V.

Honda still makes great vehicles, they just pooched with this engine.
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I had a 2018 Accord Sport with the 1.5L turbo engine. The car was beautiful inside and out, but boy with the amount of times i was in the shop in the 15 months I had it it just wasn't worth it to keep it any longer.

I do a lot of short distance driving, specially now since now I'm unemployed, so I would be screwing more things up if I kept it. My mech already admitted he could smell the fuel in the oil, but looking back I'm not sure if that's conclusive of an oil dillution. You would have to send it to the lab. Eventually dillution becomes an issue with turbos anyway so I had to give it up.

I would stay away from Turbos specially if its going to be your daily driver. I would need at least 5 years of Honda data to trust their turbo engines.
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Pete_Coach wrote: I only had it for 1 1/2 years. Spent too much time n the shop. The Honda 1.5 L turbo engine in the CR-V was a huge problem (apparently it was a prob;em in other models too but the CR-V took the brunt of the complaints). They even shut down production of the CR-V in China and japan until they could resolve the issue. They re-opened production but the problem remained. The problem seemed to be in cold climate areas, Canada, China, northern US

I now have the, Subaru which was my # 2 choice when researching a crossover but the CR-V had more bells and whistles so, it won the competition LOL.

Crosstrek was a close second and now that I have one, I wished I would have gotten it instead of the CR-V.

Honda still makes great vehicles, they just pooched with this engine.
After 1.5 years, you must have taken a big hit on depreciation :(
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Thorkell wrote: I had a 2018 Accord Sport with the 1.5L turbo engine. The car was beautiful inside and out, but boy with the amount of times i was in the shop in the 15 months I had it it just wasn't worth it to keep it any longer.

I do a lot of short distance driving, specially now since now I'm unemployed, so I would be screwing more things up if I kept it. My mech already admitted he could smell the fuel in the oil, but looking back I'm not sure if that's conclusive of an oil dillution. You would have to send it to the lab. Eventually dillution becomes an issue with turbos anyway so I had to give it up.

I would stay away from Turbos specially if its going to be your daily driver. I would need at least 5 years of Honda data to trust their turbo engines.
Other brands with turbos dont suffer from oil dilution. BMW is know for its N valves failing, blah blah blah.
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EP32k2 wrote: There's a HUGE thread here. Yes oil dilution is real and you may or may not experience it, but there's a good chance. Honda has a defective design with their turbo engines and are trying bandaid solutions to the point where cabin heat is an issue in winter. Do you really want to take this chance? Are you a gambler? LOL

My suggestion. STAY AWAY from any turbo honda.
x2. And stay away from any Honda that has a VCM engine.
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avoid avoid avoid. 2 seperate class action lawsuits against Honda right now. stay away from honda engines on the CRV.
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hightech wrote: After 1.5 years, you must have taken a big hit on depreciation :(
Actually, I was surprised how much I got. The Subaru dealer wanted it real bad and gave me way more than I expected so I made the deal right away even though I was only looking. LOL
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jackrabbit000 wrote: x2. And stay away from any Honda that has a VCM engine.
Which Honda models have VCM engine? I was thinking of getting the Honda Civic sport/touring
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EP32k2 wrote: There's a HUGE thread here. Yes oil dilution is real and you may or may not experience it, but there's a good chance. Honda has a defective design with their turbo engines and are trying bandaid solutions to the point where cabin heat is an issue in winter. Do you really want to take this chance? Are you a gambler? LOL

My suggestion. STAY AWAY from any turbo honda.
Fixed.

Hondas are now pure shit and north worth their weight in scrap metal
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Had 2017 CRV ex. Traded it in few months ago for new SUV as I just didn't enjoy driving the vehicle at all.

Had recall fix for oil dilution. Also had shift knob recall done. I didn't notice any performance issues but being in warmer Vancouver climate vs harsh east winters likely made a big difference.

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