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A Housing Solution From 50 Years Ago?

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A Housing Solution From 50 Years Ago?

Very high housing costs are not a new phenomenon, it was also a problem in the early 1970’s. One solution was “zero lot line” homes in the Bramalea section of Brampton. This link gives a very good summary of the pros and cons of this concept 50 years ago.

https://bramaleablog.wordpress.com/2014 ... e-housing/

These starter homes were part of the H.O.M.E plan (Home Ownership Made Easy)
Important factors included:
-Lease the land with the option to purchase after 5 years at a known cost
-No purchases by investors, purchase by owners to actually live in
-Detached but 2 bedrooms (796 sq.ft) to 4 bedrooms (1370 sq.ft)
-low downpayments
-no garages

What do RFD’ers think, could something similar be done in 2022?
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The problem is that everyone has thousand dollar bank accounts and million dollar tastes. There are plenty of compromises already available - less popular neighbourhoods, smaller homes, older homes, condos, townhouses, etc... that are relatively lower in price, but the general dissident voice doesn't want to compromise and only wants to complain.
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These are going for ~1mil now.

So they were built on taxpayers' dime for a lucky set of 2400 buyers, who then flipped them at market prices years later?
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TwinkoStar wrote: These are going for ~1mil now.

So they were built on taxpayers' dime for a lucky set of 2400 buyers, who then flipped them at market prices years later?
There is something similar on Dundas just East of DVP (on the South side of Dundas). They were given for very cheap and they look shabby but the market skyrocketed and they were sold for high.
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mrct1944 wrote: Very high housing costs are not a new phenomenon, it was also a problem in the early 1970’s. One solution was “zero lot line” homes in the Bramalea section of Brampton. This link gives a very good summary of the pros and cons of this concept 50 years ago.

https://bramaleablog.wordpress.com/2014 ... e-housing/

These starter homes were part of the H.O.M.E plan (Home Ownership Made Easy)
Important factors included:
-Lease the land with the option to purchase after 5 years at a known cost
-No purchases by investors, purchase by owners to actually live in
-Detached but 2 bedrooms (796 sq.ft) to 4 bedrooms (1370 sq.ft)
-low downpayments
-no garages
Simply 50 years ago is not the same now. It's modern problem.
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I used to live in the "E" section of Bramalea. I know the mentioned houses well, they are awfully built dumps for the most part...
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Today they just build towns. This way you maximum the "lot lines".
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so a 1.5 million dollar solution to housing crisis?
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wow that neighbourhood looks like a dump.
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The only possibility is state housing - like in Europe.

There is no other solution. S***** lots are going for 2M + now and many are bought by developers. There is no way out
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berrytree wrote: The only possibility is state housing - like in Europe.

There is no other solution. S***** lots are going for 2M + now and many are bought by developers. There is no way out
We don't have the money to fund socialist housing.
If you buy vgro for a thousand years Vancouver homes will still be out of reach.
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mrct1944 wrote: Very high housing costs are not a new phenomenon, it was also a problem in the early 1970’s. One solution was “zero lot line” homes in the Bramalea section of Brampton. This link gives a very good summary of the pros and cons of this concept 50 years ago.

https://bramaleablog.wordpress.com/2014 ... e-housing/

These starter homes were part of the H.O.M.E plan (Home Ownership Made Easy)
Important factors included:
-Lease the land with the option to purchase after 5 years at a known cost
-No purchases by investors, purchase by owners to actually live in
-Detached but 2 bedrooms (796 sq.ft) to 4 bedrooms (1370 sq.ft)
-low downpayments
-no garages

What do RFD’ers think, could something similar be done in 2022?
Yes.

Should it?

No.
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zakarydoks wrote: We don't have the money to fund socialist housing.
The modern socialist housing is called private landlords, who are forced to host problem tenants for months on end with no recourse for getting the money back but still forced to do maintenance and repairs. As long as they still gain equity from the red hot market it's all good right?

It's just a different way of providing free housing. Tomato Tomahto (from the gov's perspective)
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Since then they've had options for homes.

Both plans worked as intended. They allowed disadvantaged buyers to gain ownership. Eventually the bare bones or basic finishes of the units are upgraded and resold allowing the original owners to realize equity and either move up or cash out.
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TwinkoStar wrote: The modern socialist housing is called private landlords, who are forced to host problem tenants for months on end with no recourse for getting the money back but still forced to do maintenance and repairs. As long as they still gain equity from the red hot market it's all good right?

It's just a different way of providing free housing. Tomato Tomahto (from the gov's perspective)
So true. That's why I'm a not a landlord! I don't want to be part of socialism.
If you buy vgro for a thousand years Vancouver homes will still be out of reach.
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zakarydoks wrote: We don't have the money to fund socialist housing.
You seem to get triggered by anything deemed "socialist"

I hope you don't partake in the BC MSP - because that's very "socialist" by your standards
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berrytree wrote: You seem to get triggered by anything deemed "socialist"

I hope you don't partake in the BC MSP - because that's very "socialist" by your standards
lol good one Clapping Hands SignClapping Hands SignClapping Hands Sign but try to stay on topic - the real estate market.
If you buy vgro for a thousand years Vancouver homes will still be out of reach.
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zakarydoks wrote: lol good one Clapping Hands SignClapping Hands SignClapping Hands Sign but try to stay on topic - the real estate market.
You get triggered any time by any thing that is "socialist" (according to you)

And you can't accept any constructs or real estate frameworks that you immediately discard because it touched your "socialist" button

So at least you can admit you live in a socialist country now - especially with regards to medical. If you don't believe in "socialism" please make sure you don't partake in the hospital system or the subsidized transport system.

I have a lot of respect for you but some of your blinders are a little odd - and very predictable.

Regarding the real estate market, the only option is the public private system - as per many European countries.

You'll have to do better than "I don't like it because I think I dont' like socialism"
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zakarydoks wrote: but try to stay on topic - the real estate market.

I lost the argument so am trying to pretend I'm a moderator


:D
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berrytree wrote: You get triggered any time by any thing that is "socialist" (according to you)

And you can't accept any constructs or real estate frameworks that you immediately discard because it touched your "socialist" button

So at least you can admit you live in a socialist country now - especially with regards to medical. If you don't believe in "socialism" please make sure you don't partake in the hospital system or the subsidized transport system.

I have a lot of respect for you but some of your blinders are a little odd - and very predictable.

Regarding the real estate market, the only option is the public private system - as per many European countries.

You'll have to do better than "I don't like it because I think I dont' like socialism"
I just don't think we have the money. Are you going to raise taxes or take on more debt?
If you buy vgro for a thousand years Vancouver homes will still be out of reach.

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