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How do you think COVID-19 will change the world when this is all over?

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sponge5307 wrote: WFM but been doing OT everyday and getting OT pay. I do feel like a sucker sometimes though seeing people on CERB, not paying rent(due to gov restricting eviction), while I have to foot the bill with higher tax.
Once Cerb runs out and these people are getting evicted I will see who is laughing now.
You feel like a sucker because not only do you have work that pays, but you are taking overtime so someone else who is not working can't get any hours? Then you are looking forward to seeing other people whose rent is being delayed but not forgiven hit a financial crisis and possibly face bankruptcy and the ensuing destruction of their status in society because it's really humorous that you are making money and they are not? The only way your grievances about work will be satisfied unless you see others suffer the absolute worst?

Come on buddy, you have got to give your head a shake. You are "footing the bill," huh? You've gripped a monopoly on paid work hours, you don't want to share hours with people that are struggling, and you are pissed that you are so hard done by. Really.

You don't want to pay your fair share of taxes on the blessed opportunity you have, fine. Abdicate your responsibility to other Canadians and do me a favour and give up your citizenship too. You'll have a lot fewer rights here but no obligations to Canadians either.

I keep hearing people say we cannot institute a wealth tax because wealthy buggers will flee the country to evade paying taxes. People talk like this all makes sense and the wealthy have the right to do so. I say if they don't want to contribute to the country and are 100% out for themselves, take away their citizenship even if it leaves them stateless. Then they can stop and think about if being a Canadian has any value and if they want to contribute to Canada's success or be a jackass, focus only on themselves, and keep all their coin in their pockets. If so, f right off. I don't care where you go, just don't stay here and I hope government rules on foreign ownership bites them in the ass too.

People who have all the money really need a bitch slap because their opportunities only exist at the expense of opportunities for other people but they think they have a right to monopolize wealth and there should be absolutely zero consequences. They need the money to buy estates with walls and security guards with guns to keep everyone that didn't get in on the opportunities they enjoyed out. This makes sense to these morons. Please do not be one of them.
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lecale wrote: You feel like a sucker because not only do you have work that pays, but you are taking overtime so someone else who is not working can't get any hours? Then you are looking forward to seeing other people whose rent is being delayed but not forgiven hit a financial crisis and possibly face bankruptcy and the ensuing destruction of their status in society because it's really humorous that you are making money and they are not? The only way your grievances about work will be satisfied unless you see others suffer the absolute worst?

Come on buddy, you have got to give your head a shake. You are "footing the bill," huh? You've gripped a monopoly on paid work hours, you don't want to share hours with people that are struggling, and you are pissed that you are so hard done by. Really.

You don't want to pay your fair share of taxes on the blessed opportunity you have, fine. Abdicate your responsibility to other Canadians and do me a favour and give up your citizenship too. You'll have a lot fewer rights here but no obligations to Canadians either.

I keep hearing people say we cannot institute a wealth tax because wealthy buggers will flee the country to evade paying taxes. People talk like this all makes sense and the wealthy have the right to do so. I say if they don't want to contribute to the country and are 100% out for themselves, take away their citizenship even if it leaves them stateless. Then they can stop and think about if being a Canadian has any value and if they want to contribute to Canada's success or be a jackass, focus only on themselves, and keep all their coin in their pockets. If so, f right off. I don't care where you go, just don't stay here and I hope government rules on foreign ownership bites them in the ass too.

People who have all the money really need a bitch slap because their opportunities only exist at the expense of opportunities for other people but they think they have a right to monopolize wealth and there should be absolutely zero consequences. They need the money to buy estates with walls and security guards with guns to keep everyone that didn't get in on the opportunities they enjoyed out. This makes sense to these morons. Please do not be one of them.
Places are hiring and business can't get people to work. Only reason they can't hire is because is mostly part time work. People would rather sit at home and collect 2k a month than to work. We are into phase 3 of reopening already time to get rib of CERB and have people to start to work to earn their wage. I am working OT coz I have to. If I don't there is going to be huge back log.

It won't be just be our generation our kids and our kid's kid that will be paying for all this debt. Maybe is time to get people off the couch and Netflix and get them to actually look for a job. Heck you can walk right into a construction site and get work for that day.
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lecale wrote: You feel like a sucker because not only do you have work that pays, but you are taking overtime so someone else who is not working can't get any hours? Then you are looking forward to seeing other people whose rent is being delayed but not forgiven hit a financial crisis and possibly face bankruptcy and the ensuing destruction of their status in society because it's really humorous that you are making money and they are not? The only way your grievances about work will be satisfied unless you see others suffer the absolute worst?

Come on buddy, you have got to give your head a shake. You are "footing the bill," huh? You've gripped a monopoly on paid work hours, you don't want to share hours with people that are struggling, and you are pissed that you are so hard done by. Really.

You don't want to pay your fair share of taxes on the blessed opportunity you have, fine. Abdicate your responsibility to other Canadians and do me a favour and give up your citizenship too. You'll have a lot fewer rights here but no obligations to Canadians either.

I keep hearing people say we cannot institute a wealth tax because wealthy buggers will flee the country to evade paying taxes. People talk like this all makes sense and the wealthy have the right to do so. I say if they don't want to contribute to the country and are 100% out for themselves, take away their citizenship even if it leaves them stateless. Then they can stop and think about if being a Canadian has any value and if they want to contribute to Canada's success or be a jackass, focus only on themselves, and keep all their coin in their pockets. If so, f right off. I don't care where you go, just don't stay here and I hope government rules on foreign ownership bites them in the ass too.

People who have all the money really need a bitch slap because their opportunities only exist at the expense of opportunities for other people but they think they have a right to monopolize wealth and there should be absolutely zero consequences. They need the money to buy estates with walls and security guards with guns to keep everyone that didn't get in on the opportunities they enjoyed out. This makes sense to these morons. Please do not be one of them.
What do you mean by not wanting to share hours? My colleagues and I don’t want to work all the OT we’re working but that doesn’t mean we’re taking the hours away from anyone. We aren’t exactly happy that we’re pretty much all burnt out because the workload is too high for the current number of staff we have. We’re pleading for more staff and they just can’t recruit/hire/train fast enough.
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sponge5307 wrote: Places are hiring and business can't get people to work. Only reason they can't hire is because is mostly part time work. People would rather sit at home and collect 2k a month than to work. We are into phase 3 of reopening already time to get rib of CERB and have people to start to work to earn their wage. I am working OT coz I have to. If I don't there is going to be huge back log.

It won't be just be our generation our kids and our kid's kid that will be paying for all this debt. Maybe is time to get people off the couch and Netflix and get them to actually look for a job. Heck you can walk right into a construction site and get work for that day.
There are people stuck at home because it is not legal to leave their kids alone because they are too young and the whole return to school thing has not given any reassurance.

There will be a wealth tax. There cannot no be one. We cannot put COVID costs on the backs of the people at the bottom end of the economy. Wealthy people can cover the bill in a snap and that's what they have to do. That is where the Liberals are heading now. Wealthy people are trying to get people stirred up about higher taxes but it's the 0.1% that is going to get hit and no one should be feeling sorry for them because as much as they cry and wail about how much they are going to suffer ... they have never suffered in their lives, do not know what it means, cannot connect with people who have suffered because they have no shared experience with them, and are about to be greatly enlightened. Trust me.

I just can't wait to hear wealthy people justify their wealth and fight against a wealth tax whilst other people are suffering. I read the Post. I have seen absolutely no compelling argument to spare the bastards. Honestly, people.

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amz155 wrote: What do you mean by not wanting to share hours? My colleagues and I don’t want to work all the OT we’re working but that doesn’t mean we’re taking the hours away from anyone. We aren’t exactly happy that we’re pretty much all burnt out because the workload is too high for the current number of staff we have. We’re pleading for more staff and they just can’t recruit/hire/train fast enough.
I guess I mean no one knows the full details until we talk? lol. This is not a great situation but I assure you all of the people on rfd are at the same end of this. There is a 1%, there is a 0.1%, these guys are responsible for the COVID tab. It is not up to ordinary people to pay this because all of our hands are full dealing with this. There are people tanning on yachts out on the ocean that have escaped everything to do with COVID and they think if it hasn't affected them yet, it should never affect them at all and that is fair. They think it is fine for their employees to shoulder the burden of living under COVID and paying for how it has affected all of society. Let no one build a bubble around themselves and claim their problems are the only problems when they in fact have no problems. I don't want to pick on you, I want to pick on the mentality that the 0.1% has that no one else outside of themselves matters.
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lecale wrote: I guess I mean no one knows the full details until we talk? lol. This is not a great situation but I assure you all of the people on rfd are at the same end of this. There is a 1%, there is a 0.1%, these guys are responsible for the COVID tab. It is not up to ordinary people to pay this because all of our hands are full dealing with this. There are people tanning on yachts out on the ocean that have escaped everything to do with COVID and they think if it hasn't affected them yet, it should never affect them at all and that is fair. They think it is fine for their employees to shoulder the burden of living under COVID and paying for how it has affected all of society. Let no one build a bubble around themselves and claim their problems are the only problems when they in fact have no problems. I don't want to pick on you, I want to pick on the mentality that the 0.1% has that no one else outside of themselves matters.
You sound very bitter.

You may have some fair points in those posts of yours but it's all swept away by the bitterness that follows them.
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HghSsociety wrote: You sound very bitter.

You may have some fair points in those posts of yours but it's all swept away by the bitterness that follows them.
No I am not bitter, I am excited about the coming changes that are going to be AWESOME!!! We cannot continue with the degree of wealth inequality that exists in this country and there is no logic that will justify a country where we have billionaires whose money sits without doing any positive good for society, whose money only is only used to keep power, and at the same time have people struggling to pay for heat.

When the richest among us are buying guns to protect themselves from the rest of us they know that their situation is fundamentally unfair and totally unjustifiable. If they have to consider killing people in order to maintain their position in society, their relationship with other people in society has become totally deranged.

This is totally pathological.

This must be fixed.

I'm not bitter, I am excited for the future. We must plan a better future or we are going to have WWIII due to income inequality. Wealthy people are trying to brainwash ordinary citizens into thinking that is not the path we are on (see the US) and somehow they are unwilling to give anything up if they are only going to prevent war, and what that means: the destruction of society, and the mass murder of people.

There are people out there that are being so greedy they are denying that war is brewing because the only way they can stop that is to let go of their greed and think of the common good and they just can't.

People like that are not good people. It doesn't matter what their wealth and status is, this behaviour is unredeemable.
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With all respect, you do sound bitter.

Why does the 0.1% have to foot the entire COVID bill? I/you may not want to foot the bill, but that doesn't mean it is "fair" that the 0.1% foots the bill just because they can.

What would the world be without the 0.1%? Just thinking out loud, without Bezos, we wouldn't have the conveniences of Amazon and the ability to buy so many items online. Maybe it would be a brick and mortar world and Amazon/Ebay/whatever isn't the same. Without Zuckerberg, maybe Facebook and other forms of social media don't grow, and people wouldn't be so connected on WhatsApp/Twitter/whatever and we're living in the home phone days. Without Tim Cook, maybe Apple doesn't put smartphones and tablets into the mainstream, and the younger/old generation don't get to use easy to learn technology.

The point is, as much as people like to "hate" the 0.1%, the 0.1% has brought a lot of good and advances to society. You generally don't get there by pure luck. And they certainly pay a lot more taxes than the normal population.
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Not sure how the world be in 8 years from now but 8-9 months after the disease started spreading
Some Asian and Australia & NZ managed to overcome the spread and life is back to 75% normal.
Meanwhile EU, Latin world and North Americans are happily engaged in debates and losing the war on economy and disease as well.
Who could have predicted this few months earlier.
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J W wrote: With all respect, you do sound bitter.

Why does the 0.1% have to foot the entire COVID bill? I/you may not want to foot the bill, but that doesn't mean it is "fair" that the 0.1% foots the bill just because they can.

What would the world be without the 0.1%? Just thinking out loud, without Bezos, we wouldn't have the conveniences of Amazon and the ability to buy so many items online. Maybe it would be a brick and mortar world and Amazon/Ebay/whatever isn't the same. Without Zuckerberg, maybe Facebook and other forms of social media don't grow, and people wouldn't be so connected on WhatsApp/Twitter/whatever and we're living in the home phone days. Without Tim Cook, maybe Apple doesn't put smartphones and tablets into the mainstream, and the younger/old generation don't get to use easy to learn technology.

The point is, as much as people like to "hate" the 0.1%, the 0.1% has brought a lot of good and advances to society. You generally don't get there by pure luck. And they certainly pay a lot more taxes than the normal population.
And you prove yourself clueless by putting Bezos, Zuckerberg and Cook in the same bucket and calling them all good guys.

Bezos is a hero. He has brilliant business insights, and runs socialist programs like the Amazon Mecahnical Turk. He is a good guy, I admire and respect him and look to him as a role model. He had an easy divorce from his wife and gave her billions which she is throwing by the fistfuls to every kind of social justice cause out there. They are good people.

Zuckerberg should be in jail for war crimes. Facebook is a hate machine that promotes animosity and the leaders of Myanmar used to to incite violence against a minority that left tens of thousands of people dead in that country. What did Zuckerberg do? Let it happen.

Facebook needs to be eliminated as a platform altogether. It should be no more. It should not exist. It is a tool for division and violence and is what is driving the violence and hate in the US. The only way Facebook could justify its continued existence is if all the people and political causes got off the platform and left brands and manufacturers only and it became a pure retail play. Right now it is driving us to WWIII. They are going to have Myanmar all over again in the US except this time the minority they are after is composed of 42 M black people.

Zuckerberg is going to kill us all.

Life would absolutely not be the same thing without him and that's what I'm getting at: it would be awesome to see Zuckerberg in a prison cell serving a life sentence as he deserves to be. It would be awesome to see the Facebook hate machine busted up and the US heal and unify.

Tim Cook is the Donald J Trump of the music industry and don't give him credit for the tech company Steve Jobs started because Apple spends all its time in the press arguing "we're not unfair" and I'm sorry, if you have to fight it, it's true. Cook is a Crook.



You are trying to tell me that it is not "fair" that the 0.1% foots the bill just because they can. We must put the burden on those who can't.

How asinine is that logic?

This guy can do the job, we won't leverage him, we will get someone who can't do the job (who will fail, things will get worse, but at least the 0.1% will make out ok).

You have a pretty screwy vision of "fair," buddy.

Also taking away personal wealth from people like Bezos, Zuckerberg or Cook is NOT in any way going to affect the ability of companies like Amazon, Facebook or Apple to make products. That makes 0% sense as a defence for billionaires keeping all of their money. The handful of FAANG stocks make up 50% of the value of the stock market vs. absolutely all other stocks on the market and gee, you know what? I don't think taking a bit more money from them is going to dent them one bit. Nope. You have 5 stocks on the S&P 500 worth as much as 495 stocks on the S&P 500, it's not even a mosquito bite to ask for more tax money from these companies.
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lecale wrote: There are people stuck at home because it is not legal to leave their kids alone because they are too young and the whole return to school thing has not given any reassurance.

There will be a wealth tax. There cannot no be one. We cannot put COVID costs on the backs of the people at the bottom end of the economy. Wealthy people can cover the bill in a snap and that's what they have to do. That is where the Liberals are heading now. Wealthy people are trying to get people stirred up about higher taxes but it's the 0.1% that is going to get hit and no one should be feeling sorry for them because as much as they cry and wail about how much they are going to suffer ... they have never suffered in their lives, do not know what it means, cannot connect with people who have suffered because they have no shared experience with them, and are about to be greatly enlightened. Trust me.

I just can't wait to hear wealthy people justify their wealth and fight against a wealth tax whilst other people are suffering. I read the Post. I have seen absolutely no compelling argument to spare the bastards. Honestly, people.

I agree with many of your posts, but some of this is a little much, particularly the bolded.
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lecale wrote: There are people stuck at home because it is not legal to leave their kids alone because they are too young and the whole return to school thing has not given any reassurance.

There will be a wealth tax. There cannot no be one. We cannot put COVID costs on the backs of the people at the bottom end of the economy. Wealthy people can cover the bill in a snap and that's what they have to do. That is where the Liberals are heading now. Wealthy people are trying to get people stirred up about higher taxes but it's the 0.1% that is going to get hit and no one should be feeling sorry for them because as much as they cry and wail about how much they are going to suffer ... they have never suffered in their lives, do not know what it means, cannot connect with people who have suffered because they have no shared experience with them, and are about to be greatly enlightened. Trust me.

I just can't wait to hear wealthy people justify their wealth and fight against a wealth tax whilst other people are suffering. I read the Post. I have seen absolutely no compelling argument to spare the bastards. Honestly, people.

Sorry to pop your bubble but the gov won't tax the wealthy. They are too deep in the wealthy's pocket. In face these so call wealthy people is going to get billions of bail out from gov coz (Think Air Canada, SNC). Also not to mentiion the rich have lobby our gov. There is going to be an increase in tax and reduction of gov service. Why do you think the feds gov is not putting forward a plan to pay off the debt. Why do you think they are willing to only provide a snapshot of the financial and not the whole report. Why do you think JT is avoiding to answer any questions related to his plan to pay back the debt due to CoVID19.
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random pattern wrote: I agree with many of your posts, but some of this is a little much, particularly the bolded.
I'm listening. Go ahead and justify income inequality. Tell me why I am wrong and why we NEED income inequality and why it is good and what it gives to our society.

As for rich people's suffering, hey, I don't listen to country music either because I can't take the sound of white tears hitting the floor. They all want to sing about the "good old days" (which are really the "bad old days") and revel in past pity even though their life today is good. They want to be victims, they want other people to see them and themselves as victims, they want a great big pity party for us all.

They tell us there is nothing we can do about things and we just have to let things be and accept them. Just bend over, people. That's all you can do.

No, I don't buy that. Why should people accept being victims of the wealthy? The wealthy played by different rules to gain their wealth than other people.

They want to tell us things are fair because, you know ... rules. They followed the rules.

What if the rules that allowed people to concentrate wealth are not what society intended, hurt the majority of people, and are unjustly and unfairly written and applied?

We need new rules and the rules should apply equally to everyone and no one should be grandfathered in to protect the unfair advantages they enjoyed in the past.

Wealthy people have to get a clue. I stand by my assertion that they are clueless.

It's the wealthy privileged people that are always telling you they suffer the most. What a freaking joke. You're offended? Please tell me how the wealthy suffer too. No Kobe beef at the butcher? I mean that would take anybody down and out. Fully completely.
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sponge5307 wrote: Sorry to pop your bubble but the gov won't tax the wealthy. They are too deep in the wealthy's pocket. In face these so call wealthy people is going to get billions of bail out from gov coz (Think Air Canada, SNC). Also not to mentiion the rich have lobby our gov. There is going to be an increase in tax and reduction of gov service. Why do you think the feds gov is not putting forward a plan to pay off the debt. Why do you think they are willing to only provide a snapshot of the financial and not the whole report. Why do you think JT is avoiding to answer any questions related to his plan to pay back the debt due to CoVID19.
Because the Liberals are aiming to bring in a UBI and a wealth tax before they lose political control to the NDP who absolutely will bring in a UBI and a wealth tax because they are already lobbying to push that through parliament now?

Can't have the UBI alone, gotta bring in a wealth tax too.

It was hard to report a lot of numbers because things were so fluid during COVID that they could not do a full report. I assure you people will start talking about a lot of numbers very soon.

In contrast Conservatives be pushin' hate. "Take Back Canada!!" Erin O'Toole follows all kinds of journalists that are actively "not fond of Muslims," the man is a fool and should never be elected to anything. There are more wealthy Conservatives than wealthy Liberals, I imagine. How fond is the rest of Canada going to be when the Liberal/NDP platform is a UBI and wealth tax and the Conservative platform is "look there, Muslims, let hate 'em!!" and oh yeah they want to keep mankind from moving forward, cling to obsolete technologies, and protect the dying oil & gas industry because, you know, ... money. The wealthy keeping their coin is what it is all about to these guys. Other people are not going to have the patience for that.

Universal basic income in Canada won’t do enough to fix inequality
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nequality/

In August, Leah Gazan, a member of Parliament from the New Democratic Party, served a motion for the government to create a guaranteed livable basic income based on the CERB.

Gazan’s colleague, NDP MP Peter Julian, served a motion this summer to create a new wealth tax, which would result in about $5.6 billion in new revenue for the federal government. During the 2019 election, the NDP also promised to increase corporate tax rates and go after money hidden in tax havens, measures that were estimated to generate $12.1 billion in the first year.
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lecale wrote: I'm listening. Go ahead and justify income inequality. Tell me why I am wrong and why we NEED income inequality and why it is good and what it gives to our society.

As for rich people's suffering, hey, I don't listen to country music either because I can't take the sound of white tears hitting the floor. They all want to sing about the "good old days" (which are really the "bad old days") and revel in past pity even though their life today is good. They want to be victims, they want other people to see them and themselves as victims, they want a great big pity party for us all.

They tell us there is nothing we can do about things and we just have to let things be and accept them. Just bend over, people. That's all you can do.

No, I don't buy that. Why should people accept being victims of the wealthy? The wealthy played by different rules to gain their wealth than other people.

They want to tell us things are fair because, you know ... rules. They followed the rules.

What if the rules that allowed people to concentrate wealth are not what society intended, hurt the majority of people, and are unjustly and unfairly written and applied?

We need new rules and the rules should apply equally to everyone and no one should be grandfathered in to protect the unfair advantages they enjoyed in the past.

Wealthy people have to get a clue. I stand by my assertion that they are clueless.

It's the wealthy privileged people that are always telling you they suffer the most. What a freaking joke. You're offended? Please tell me how the wealthy suffer too. No Kobe beef at the butcher? I mean that would take anybody down and out. Fully completely.
Wow. Not sure why you’re taking this tone. Why the hate for the wealthy? The wealthy have never suffered, and don’t know what it means...? Are clueless? Really?

Some pretty broad generalizations there. Kind of expected better from you. I consider myself wealthy, and privileged, and super fortunate. I also believe the wealthy need to shoulder more of the costs of society. I do not consider myself clueless, nor do I believe I have never suffered. And I don’t know what Kobe beef is.

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