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How long does N12 eviction process take?

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How long does N12 eviction process take?

A- How long does N12 eviction process take for single family home? (start to finish).

B- How long does N12 eviction process take for a residential home with 10 rooms with 9 occupied by 9 different tenants?

C- What are the challenges that can prolong the eviction process of either A or B above.
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Depends if anyone protests. A friend took an N12 issue to the LTB & was given a date 14 months out in October. Since, I have talked to a LL that was going to the LTB on this & he was given a date 16 months out in December. SW ON.

Don't know how much of a backlog is in your area, but here it's steep.
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lecale wrote: Depends if anyone protests. A friend took an N12 issue to the LTB & was given a date 14 months out in October. Since, I have talked to a LL that was going to the LTB on this & he was given a date 16 months out in December. SW ON.

Don't know how much of a backlog is in your area, but here it's steep.
So that is 14 to 16 months just to get to the panel and more months to get sheriff to evict? and this is for ANY reason including landlord wanting to move in?
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assuming your paralegal is really good, and you have a valid case/papers in order. From the day you submit N12 to the portal, to the day sheriff comes to evict is about 12-16 month process. Cash for keys is the quickest way without going through LTB. You should talk to your paralegal about it
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snowhite445 wrote: A- How long does N12 eviction process take for single family home? (start to finish).

B- How long does N12 eviction process take for a residential home with 10 rooms with 9 occupied by 9 different tenants?

C- What are the challenges that can prolong the eviction process of either A or B above.
A - 12-16mths

B - If that's 9 different lease agreements I'm going to say a long, long time.

C - having to deal/negotiate with 9 different tenants. That's brutal.
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Number1boss wrote: assuming your paralegal is really good, and you have a valid case/papers in order. From the day you submit N12 to the portal, to the day sheriff comes to evict is about 12-16 month process. Cash for keys is the quickest way without going through LTB. You should talk to your paralegal about it
Wow, the system is broken. 16 months of lost rent (assuming the person stops paying rent) + legal costs + fixing up the damaged property (assuming tenant leaves it in bad shape).
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adamtheman wrote: Wow, the system is broken. 16 months of lost rent (assuming the person stops paying rent) + legal costs + fixing up the damaged property (assuming tenant leaves it in bad shape).
Gets my vote for "understatement of the year".
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adamtheman wrote: Wow, the system is broken. 16 months of lost rent (assuming the person stops paying rent) + legal costs + fixing up the damaged property (assuming tenant leaves it in bad shape).
Wait until you find out collections are pretty much impossible, and you have to settle with lowering tenant's already shit credit score by like 100
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Ridiculous. This process needs to be reevaluated!
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adamtheman wrote: Wow, the system is broken.
Some make the argument that this is done intentionally. Eventually the LTB will be disbanded, rather than reinforced.
I don't know what that means for tenants and landlords though?
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Super_Chicken wrote: Some make the argument that this is done intentionally. Eventually the LTB will be disbanded, rather than reinforced.
I don't know what that means for tenants and landlords though?
Con government trying to let it collapse and replace with something more landlord friendly? I hear lots of those claims about the Ford government. They have great plans for healthcare and will fix education. It's been 5 years and granted Covid derailed things but they seem to have very little interest in the mechanics of actually governing and reforming these things.

It doesn't seem that hard. Double number of staff at LTB. Authorize overtime until then. Maybe make some judgements easier such as not paying your rent is automatic eviction like the rest of the world.
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snowhite445 wrote: A- How long does N12 eviction process take for single family home? (start to finish).

B- How long does N12 eviction process take for a residential home with 10 rooms with 9 occupied by 9 different tenants?

C- What are the challenges that can prolong the eviction process of either A or B above.
For B, is this a case where all 9 tenants are on 9 separate leases? And the landlord want's personal use of entire home for themselves or a qualifying family member?

If it's for a sale, an N12 with this many tenants can't be given by the seller. Only the buyer can go through N12 eviction process after they've closed and taken possession of the home.

This would require 9x separate N12s, and 9x separate L2 applications to the LTB. If even 1 of those tenants managed to get the N12 dismissed for whatever reason, it could screw up plans or require offering a sizeable cash for keys to get them to move out voluntarily.
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rob444 wrote: For B, is this a case where all 9 tenants are on 9 separate leases? And the landlord want's personal use of entire home for themselves or a qualifying family member?

If it's for a sale, an N12 with this many tenants can't be given by the seller. Only the buyer can go through N12 eviction process after they've closed and taken possession of the home.

This would require 9x separate N12s, and 9x separate L2 applications to the LTB. If even 1 of those tenants managed to get the N12 dismissed for whatever reason, it could screw up plans or require offering a sizeable cash for keys to get them to move out voluntarily.
I couldn't imagine dealing with this for one dwelling. What a nightmare.
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fogetmylogin wrote: Con government trying to let it collapse and replace with something more landlord friendly? I hear lots of those claims about the Ford government. They have great plans for healthcare and will fix education. It's been 5 years and granted Covid derailed things but they seem to have very little interest in the mechanics of actually governing and reforming these things.

It doesn't seem that hard. Double number of staff at LTB. Authorize overtime until then. Maybe make some judgements easier such as not paying your rent is automatic eviction like the rest of the world.
I fantasize of an idea where landlords can instantly evict anyone for a valid reason. Such as non payment or a real move in for personal use.
All you gotta do is fill out a form.

However the fine for violating this is a minimum $100,000 fine & 10 year jail sentence. It then gets written into the criminal code. Almost as bad as a murder or violent assault.

However stuff that is subjective like “damage” and “noise” needs to be mediated. Only concrete evidence type of stuff is subject to instant $100k minimum fines and jail time.
Like you can prove easily someone didnt pay rent. Or if you have real family / yourself living there.
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fogetmylogin wrote: It doesn't seem that hard. Double number of staff at LTB. Authorize overtime until then. Maybe make some judgements easier such as not paying your rent is automatic eviction like the rest of the world.
If the problem was trying to be fixed, this would be the solution.
Like everything else in the world, the "covid" delay would relapse and dates would get pulled in until things were running smoothly again.

Thus why everyone is thinking it's intentional sabotage.


I'm sure the media posting articles saying: "Hey, you don't need to pay rent and wont be evicted for a year." aren't helping either. People test the waters. See it's successful. More notices are served and the courts back up even further.
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Super_Chicken wrote: If the problem was trying to be fixed, this would be the solution.
Like everything else in the world, the "covid" delay would relapse and dates would get pulled in until things were running smoothly again.

Thus why everyone is thinking it's intentional sabotage.


I'm sure the media posting articles saying: "Hey, you don't need to pay rent and wont be evicted for a year." aren't helping either. People test the waters. See it's successful. More notices are served and the courts back up even further.
I just think the three dimensional chess idea is less likely than incompetence/indifference. I assume the current government would like a more landlord friendly regime but it's not clear that huge delays are in any way putting us on that road. Owned a rental Condo in Nevada and you can send a 5 day notice to pay or leave. Tenants know that they will lose in court and it will happen soon so they generally avoid that if they can. This the courts are not clogged with these cases. Now I'm realistic and know the downsides of allowing for easy eviction but there is a happy medium somewhere.
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Budy, don't waste your time on n12. Cash gor keys is the way to go.
LTB is notorious and a messed up institution.

Even with cash for keys i am dealing with a LTB for last 16 months.

N12 with these many tenants is not going yo fly with LTB.
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Super_Chicken wrote: If the problem was trying to be fixed, this would be the solution.
Like everything else in the world, the "covid" delay would relapse and dates would get pulled in until things were running smoothly again.

Thus why everyone is thinking it's intentional sabotage.


I'm sure the media posting articles saying: "Hey, you don't need to pay rent and wont be evicted for a year." aren't helping either. People test the waters. See it's successful. More notices are served and the courts back up even further.
Honestly, covid broke everything. One example - the Alberta Land Titles Office. It is BROKEN. People are saying the same thing as you are saying about the Landlord Tenant Board.... "Maybe the government wants it to break so they can privatize it". The backlog is 4 months. Yes, 4 months. What does that mean? It means everything takes 4 months to process. Name change, address change, sale update, etc. I bought a property in December and I won't get the titles for it until April. Lawyer won't even give me any documents. I don't officially own it yet on the title. Property tax won't give me access to the file since I am not on title yet. If I wanted a mortgage it would be a huge hassle. You wouldn't think this is acceptable but here we are. Just like in Ontario how 12-16 months doesn't seem acceptable. Problem is no one seems to care or have the will to fix these problems. I guess stuff needs to break beyond total repair because it gets fixed, as you said. Unlike the Land titles office though, I don't think you can privatize the landlord tenant board, so indeed, what is the end game?
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I winced when I read the title because it’s going to take a very long time. Over a year is a strong possibility.
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adamtheman wrote: Honestly, covid broke everything. One example - the Alberta Land Titles Office. It is BROKEN. People are saying the same thing as you are saying about the Landlord Tenant Board.... "Maybe the government wants it to break so they can privatize it". The backlog is 4 months. Yes, 4 months. What does that mean? It means everything takes 4 months to process. Name change, address change, sale update, etc. I bought a property in December and I won't get the titles for it until April. Lawyer won't even give me any documents. I don't officially own it yet on the title. Property tax won't give me access to the file since I am not on title yet. If I wanted a mortgage it would be a huge hassle. You wouldn't think this is acceptable but here we are. Just like in Ontario how 12-16 months doesn't seem acceptable. Problem is no one seems to care or have the will to fix these problems. I guess stuff needs to break beyond total repair because it gets fixed, as you said. Unlike the Land titles office though, I don't think you can privatize the landlord tenant board, so indeed, what is the end game?
There's no accountability anymore, anywhere. It's excuses, buck passing, "not my fault", delay, etc...Nobody takes the blame, and does the honourable thing, anymore. How people look themselves in the mirror everyday, knowing what a crappy job they're doing, is beyond me.
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