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If your COVID test is positive you need to change your departure date. What are you doing for that?

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If your COVID test is positive you need to change your departure date. What are you doing for that?

Just wondering what most people are doing in case their test puts a halt on their travel plans. Are you simply opting for a more expensive ticket so you can change your departure date? And how long a time frame are we usually talking about? How soon after you recover can you get tested again? (At least you'll have more antibodies after a recovery meaning less worry when traveling.)
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Normally after a positive PCR test, public health will give you a release of isolation date. If travelling to the U.S., you can travel after that date without getting re-tested if its within a 3-month timeframe. All you need is the positive test and the "release of isolation" letter. You can also return to Canada without needing a pre-entry test as long as your covid positive result was between 14 and 90 days before your travel date. Canada also exempts you from the arrival test in this scenario and assuming you are double vaccinatd, you are also exempt from the quarantine. Aside from the hassle of re-booking your flights for after your isolation end date, the rest of the process is a breeze.
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Thank you. But what if you're not vaccinated? I'm not concerned about returning. Just arriving in other countries. And if the ticket was cheap its not usually changeable. But with COVID that becomes much more important. So I'm wondering how people are protecting themselves from losing the ticket in its entirety.
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Most airlines have substantially reduced their change or cancelation fees, you only need to pay fare difference (which can still be substantial)
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MichaelZZZ wrote: Thank you. But what if you're not vaccinated? I'm not concerned about returning. Just arriving in other countries. And if the ticket was cheap its not usually changeable. But with COVID that becomes much more important. So I'm wondering how people are protecting themselves from losing the ticket in its entirety.
Try to book with non-canadian or non-american airlines........even 3-star airlines of other countries have better policies, they even have actual offices in their home countries where u can visit and get any changes, refunds etc easily figured out...........compared to these north-american airlines who only have phone CSR lines which are always busy and long wait times.
Even 5star airlines like Emirates has severely cut their help/services in the pandemic, contacting them is crap.
We found Turkish to be better in many terms like offering refund or free change in dates.

Fly european, or Asian carriers if long-haul to other continents(depends on where u going)...

You're SOL if only flying domestic or regional(to usa etc) then its harder....
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> even 3-star airlines of other countries have better policies, they even have actual offices in their home countries

True but this question is about leaving my home country and what happens if I test positive and can't go for a while.
I noticed that from Canada its easy to go non-stop to Mexico and at really good rates as long as you're not too picky where you go.
But I'll check their policies carefully. Swoop is incredible right now for booking in the fall/winter.

The solution to this is REALLY social distancing when not wearing a mask and wear a respirator on a clean shaven face with real filtration (no silly 95% filters) when around others for a few weeks before leaving to be sure. And eye protection (safety glasses that seal against the forehead would help a lot though obviously nothing beats a full face respirator but then you look nuts).
There's just too much riding on a test to not be absolutely sure and do everything you possibly can.
Thankfully I live alone so this is more reliable. Otherwise you'd never know what your housemates are doing when they're out.
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MichaelZZZ wrote: > even 3-star airlines of other countries have better policies, they even have actual offices in their home countries

True but this question is about leaving my home country and what happens if I test positive and can't go for a while.
I noticed that from Canada its easy to go non-stop to Mexico and at really good rates as long as you're not too picky where you go.
But I'll check their policies carefully. Swoop is incredible right now for booking in the fall/winter.

The solution to this is REALLY social distancing when not wearing a mask and wear a full on respirator on a clean shaven face with real filtration (no silly 95% filters) when around others for a few weeks before leaving to be sure. And wear eye protection (safe glasses that seal against the forehead).
There's just too much riding on a test to not be absolutely sure and do everything you possibly can.
Thankfully I live alone so this is more reliable. Otherwise you'd never know what your housemates are doing when they're out.
More protection will reduce the infection probability. But nothing guaranteed one won't get covid regardless travel to another country or travel in Canada

There might be a solution on travel reschedule but there is no solution for covid infection
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MichaelZZZ wrote: Thank you. But what if you're not vaccinated? I'm not concerned about returning. Just arriving in other countries.
Reading the former posting I wondered about a traveler not being concerned about returning to Canada.
MichaelZZZ wrote: I noticed that from Canada its easy to go non-stop to Mexico and at really good rates as long as you're not too picky where you go.
But reading the latter posting, it makes more sense to me. An unvaccinated person planning travel to Mexico might have little expectation of returning to Canada.

Daily Covid infections far higher than official counts, says specialist
While health authorities are saying that Covid-19 is currently infecting some 20,000 people a day, the actual number is 25 or 30 times higher, according to an infectious disease specialist.

“This could take a turn for the worse if we don’t understand right away that it’s not just about being vaccinated,” Moreno said. “It’s about looking after yourself with basic measures.”
Mexican health authorities are recommending vaccination plus other measures, not other measures instead of vaccination.


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I am planning to return to Mexico in October, but fully vaccinated and with private accommodation. I would not be recommending an unvaccinated person travel there.
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I figured its much easier to stay away from people in a tropical country where its so easy to do things outside. I'd opt for local, 2nd class buses without air conditioning instead of the normal air conditioned ones when moving between cities. It will take longer to get somewhere but it would be much safer. I couldn't imagine wearing a half face respirator for hours and hours. If I could get a seat by the window it would be super safe I think. Then you're getting blasted by outside air all the time. Except when they stop. Then I could don the respirator. Within cities local buses shouldn't be air conditioned...hopefully.

I'd rather wait out the pandemic in the tropics than go through another winter in Canada.
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I have an upcoming family trip booked end of October and at least it’s all refundable minus some fees here and there, my concern is testing positive when trying to return to Canada, no idea how the heck that would work when you need to stay away for 14 days
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MichaelZZZ wrote: I figured its much easier to stay away from people in a tropical country where its so easy to do things outside. I'd opt for local, 2nd class buses without air conditioning instead of the normal air conditioned ones when moving between cities. It will take longer to get somewhere but it would be much safer. I Within cities local buses shouldn't be air conditioned...hopefully.
The 2nd class buses you have been must be very different from the second class busses I have been on. The ones I have been on have been very crowded. There has been no opportunity to not be sharing air.

In-city combis have been even more challenging. Not only have people been packed together on the bench seating, they have been standing room only, bumping into each other. I was coming home on a combi (think Ford Econoline) and counted 27 people “in” it. I was “in” it, standing on the running board holding onto a post that was just inside the door.
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Rfdinyyc wrote: I have an upcoming family trip booked end of October and at least it’s all refundable minus some fees here and there, my concern is testing positive when trying to return to Canada, no idea how the heck that would work when you need to stay away for 14 days
We had a trip booked too for the same time. NYC and Europe. We've been getting cold feet because of Delta variant spreading (1,500 cases/day in NYC) and in Europe too. Just a few days ago we got notice that one of our flight segments was cancelled. Refund or rebook the whole trip. We just took the refund. We can always rebook later if things are looking up. But I'm a lot more pessimistic about October now than I was in June when I booked the trip.
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I am curious.

So you are currently unvaccinated (either by choice or medical reasons) but want to travel and with the reports of the virus going around in a country which is a lot more dense in population with a lot less vaccination rates you would be willing to take that risk.

Why not see what the country recommends for travellers or the travel advisory of Canada says about the country you want to visit. You taking a second class approach on getting places will be worse than taking private options like a dedicated limo to where you need to go. Sure it’ll cost you more to get to your final destination but probably a lot more safer. Or, rent a car and just sanitize the sh17 out of it before you leave.
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MichaelZZZ wrote: Just wondering what most people are doing in case their test puts a halt on their travel plans. Are you simply opting for a more expensive ticket so you can change your departure date? And how long a time frame are we usually talking about? How soon after you recover can you get tested again? (At least you'll have more antibodies after a recovery meaning less worry when traveling.)
The good news is that you’ll always be allowed to return and and re-enter Canada. The bad news is that with a positive test at some point along the way it’s going to make it extremely difficult for you to travel in order to get back to Canada. Your question is a legit concern that I’m not sure enough people are considering when they travel.

You’ll potentially be required to self-quarantine for 14 days locally depending on local local public health requirements for wherever you are at the time of your positive test. If that doesn’t apply based on where you are then you may still be stuck as airlines require clear tests before allowing you to board. If this happens then you’ll need to extend your stay and re-book your flight until after you test clear. I’m under the impression that it will take up to 14 days to test negative again but you might get lucky if you re-test every couple of days and you’re negative without waiting that long.

That said, if you’re positive and have symptoms then I think you’re not got to be negative again until symptoms have been gone + the up to 14 days after that. For the people that have “long COVID” I’m not sure if the still test positive months later or if they test negative and are suffering after-effects. But a non-trivial number of people seem to get long-COVID so this is something that should be looked into.

Some people see to be taking the approach of flying to USA and driving back if tested positive. Either rent a car all the way home or rent a car and drive to border then get a cab service to cross the border then figure out a plan b when back on Canadian soil. Not going to be this easy though if you’re going further than USA.

Others, I’m assuming, are getting open or flexible tickets or maybe they’re simply crossing their fingers and will deal with it when it happens (which is pretty naive and potentially costly). That said, I’m not sure if or how travel insurance might step in to assist with defraying some of the costs - might be worth looking into.
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CanadianLurker wrote: Some people see to be taking the approach of flying to USA and driving back if tested positive. Either rent a car all the way home or rent a car and drive to border then get a cab service to cross the border then figure out a plan b when back on Canadian soil. Not going to be this easy though if you’re going further than USA.

Others, I’m assuming, are getting open or flexible tickets or maybe they’re simply crossing their fingers and will deal with it when it happens (which is pretty naive and potentially costly). That said, I’m not sure if or how travel insurance might step in to assist with defraying some of the costs - might be worth looking into.
The US require a negative test to fly in as well so if you test positive outside US, you can't fly via US and come back
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MichaelZZZ wrote: I figured its much easier to stay away from people in a tropical country where its so easy to do things outside. I'd opt for local, 2nd class buses without air conditioning instead of the normal air conditioned ones when moving between cities. It will take longer to get somewhere but it would be much safer. I couldn't imagine wearing a half face respirator for hours and hours. If I could get a seat by the window it would be super safe I think. Then you're getting blasted by outside air all the time. Except when they stop. Then I could don the respirator. Within cities local buses shouldn't be air conditioned...hopefully.

I'd rather wait out the pandemic in the tropics than go through another winter in Canada.
Well, I’d be much more inclined to go and stay in 1 spot than move around like you’re describing. Renting the equivalent of a cottage for 3/4 months and waiting it out in the tropics is a far safer travel than taking public transit and moving from city to city. Much better control of your environment and surroundings vs being at the meet of locals who may need to be out and about while sick or symptomatic in order to make ends meet.
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CanadianLurker wrote: You’ll potentially be required to self-quarantine for 14 days locally depending on local local public health requirements for wherever you are at the time of your positive test. If that doesn’t apply based on where you are then you may still be stuck as airlines require clear tests before allowing you to board. If this happens then you’ll need to extend your stay and re-book your flight until after you test clear. I’m under the impression that it will take up to 14 days to test negative again but you might get lucky if you re-test every couple of days and you’re negative without waiting that long.
Plus, with the high levels of covid in Mexico, there are the multiple issues of the availability, quality, and costs of hospitalization in Mexico in the event of contracting covid.
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> The 2nd class buses you have been must be very different from the second class busses I have been on. The ones I have been on have been very crowded. There has been no opportunity to not be sharing air.

The crowding is definitely a problem. Hopefully I could opt to travel at the least crowded time if I was going to another city. But all the windows were open weren't they? And what if I was able to sit beside a window? I have a long neck which would enable me to get my long nose out the window!

> I was coming home on a combi (think Ford Econoline) and counted 27 people “in” it. I was “in” it, standing on the running board holding onto a post that was just inside the door.

Yikes....I see what you mean. Was this in Zihuatanejo?
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It is worrying, to be sure. I figure I'll book just before leaving to maximize my news knowledge of the area I'm going to. If it continues to worsen I definitely won't go. I'll just delay it until the numbers improve. Its definitely getting a lot worse recently. I wouldn't think of doing this without a respirator. It would be very uncomfortable to be wearing one in a tropical environment for very long. But if I was sitting by an open window and the bus was moving I'd be fine. When it stops I could put it on. It wouldn't be that difficult. Long distance....I can always fly. Its really cheap now with several airlines competing there. I've seen some ridiculously cheap prices within the country. As Mexico City is the main hub you always bounce from there pretty much. That's probably why so many people keep a place there as their home if they're always moving around the country. If only the air there wasn't so bad. Such a marvelous city. So underrated.
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> Well, I’d be much more inclined to go and stay in 1 spot than move around like you’re describing. Renting the equivalent of a cottage for 3/4 months and waiting it out in the tropics is a far safer travel than taking public transit and moving from city to city. Much better control of your environment and surroundings vs being at the meet of locals who may need to be out and about while sick or symptomatic in order to make ends meet.

That is the optimum way, definitely. But there's so much of the country to see. Big country with so much variety. I'd just play it by ear, watching the local news online. Speaking of news I found that its markedly different when you look at the Spanish version of many English websites there. So much more crime is reported. It seems they don't bother to translate the uncomfortable stories so much. Thankfully translation apps are getting better and better to its pretty easy getting a good idea what they're saying. Awkward at times but OK.

One big problem if the situation worsens is people just retreating inside so there's not much of the country to see socially. I'm fine talking to someone outside, several feet away making note of the wind direction. That can be very safe even without being masked. But if they lock everyone down like they have done in the past and do crazy things like close immense beaches because idiots can't social distance on a huge beach....then it hugely detracts from what could be a great trip.

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