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Investment guidance for newcomer to Canada - RRSP or TFSA

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Investment guidance for newcomer to Canada - RRSP or TFSA

Hi RFD'Fam,

Hope y'all had a great weekend!

A brief intro : came to Canada around 2 years ago and settled into a generic corporate job. The next thing that I'm looking forward to is a house ownership in the next 2 years.

At present, I do have an emergency fund stacked in a EQ HISA, an ongoing group RRSP with my employer with Manulife and to test waters, I did open an individual TFSA account with Wealthsimple Invest (robo) with a risk tolerance of 10.

Now I do have ample contribution room remaining in my TFSA and RRSP and considering my goal towards home ownership, I need to plan accordingly and looking forward to the wisdom of fellow members for guidance. My questions are listed below:

1. Should I first max out my RRSP or TFSA? From my viewpoint, I was inching towards the RRSP and wanted to bring it up to $35k that I can then withdraw as a downpayment towards my home under the 1st time home buyer plan. I'll have to repay/contribute it back in 15 years. As on date, I have around only $7K parked there.

2. Even if I choose a RRSP or TFSA, I wanted to invest in ETF's using Questrade - is it a wise choice or should I open another account in Wealthsimple Trade only?

3. I am wanting to invest in a $10k portfolio as a start followed by monthly contribution of around $250-$500, could you please suggest the ETF's and their %age allocation for me? I am primarily looking for capital growth and if there is nominal dividend income, that's a bonus. I'm the "buy it and forget it" kinda guy and will be happy if there's a ~10-12% growth YoY. I won't likely play around once I've bought the units.

4. I'm aware of the associated market risks considering that investment is not an overnight game but stacking $x amount for 2 years in a HISA bank account won't reap any benefits to me towards my goals - so if there's something else that you guys can suugest apart from RRSP/TFSA investment in order to protect my principal amount with nominal growth, I am open to suggestions.

I'll look forward to your valuable advice - thank you!
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TFSA imo. withdrawing money is easy with TFSA.
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If you want maximum flexibility on withdrawals for whatever needs, the TFSA is the best option. You can take any or all of the account out any time and have no time limit on putting the money back (just not in the same year as withdrawal) and you always have the room to put the money back. As for investment platforms, I just don't see how they affect returns in the grand scheme of things. Pick one and run with it. When starting out, a single diversified ETF like VEQT/XEQT would be very suitable. I prefer to stick with North America and if that is your cup of tea, then ZSP and XIC. You might be disappointed to know that the historical long term return on 100% equity ETF is likely to be less than 10-12% and certainly on linearly at this rate. No other advise than to buy low MER ETFs and hold (keep it simple).
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BBThumbHealer wrote: Hi RFD'Fam,

Hope y'all had a great weekend!

A brief intro : came to Canada around 2 years ago and settled into a generic corporate job. The next thing that I'm looking forward to is a house ownership in the next 2 years.

At present, I do have an emergency fund stacked in a EQ HISA, an ongoing group RRSP with my employer with Manulife and to test waters, I did open an individual TFSA account with Wealthsimple Invest (robo) with a risk tolerance of 10.

Now I do have ample contribution room remaining in my TFSA and RRSP and considering my goal towards home ownership, I need to plan accordingly and looking forward to the wisdom of fellow members for guidance. My questions are listed below:

1. Should I first max out my RRSP or TFSA? From my viewpoint, I was inching towards the RRSP and wanted to bring it up to $35k that I can then withdraw as a downpayment towards my home under the 1st time home buyer plan. I'll have to repay/contribute it back in 15 years. As on date, I have around only $7K parked there.

2. Even if I choose a RRSP or TFSA, I wanted to invest in ETF's using Questrade - is it a wise choice or should I open another account in Wealthsimple Trade only?

3. I am wanting to invest in a $10k portfolio as a start followed by monthly contribution of around $250-$500, could you please suggest the ETF's and their %age allocation for me? I am primarily looking for capital growth and if there is nominal dividend income, that's a bonus. I'm the "buy it and forget it" kinda guy and will be happy if there's a ~10-12% growth YoY. I won't likely play around once I've bought the units.

4. I'm aware of the associated market risks considering that investment is not an overnight game but stacking $x amount for 2 years in a HISA bank account won't reap any benefits to me towards my goals - so if there's something else that you guys can suugest apart from RRSP/TFSA investment in order to protect my principal amount with nominal growth, I am open to suggestions.

I'll look forward to your valuable advice - thank you!
Looks like you understand the benefits of each. Some people live here for decades without knowing what the difference is!

I agree with contributing to the RRSP to use HBP, but if your mind is set on buying a property in exactly 2 years may be investing in equities is not the best idea. Also there are a few factors in general you need to consider to decide your contribution to either RRSP or TFSA past the initial 35k. We need to know your income or tax bracket, how many years till retirement, your salary projection in the future,...etc.

How much house downpayment will you need? Your profile does not show location.
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You need to keep track of your RRSP and TFSA contribution limits. For TFSA you only get contribution room based on residency, so it would be 2 years x 6k. Your RRSP is based on income, that one is easier to find on your return.
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the only and valuable reason to use RRSP, is to defer tax, because you expect to earn LESS, when retired.

let say you earn 100k / year now, you invest in a RRSP to lower your tax bill today.

then at your retirement, if you earn less than 100k, you will safe some money, in theory...

in reality, that doesnt happen really often.
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BardoonD52881 wrote: always tfsa, shouldnt even be a question.
+1

But problem with OP is newcomer. Only two years here. So chances are his RRSP amount 18% might be higher than TFSA contribution limit, 12K+, for last two years.
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callernamet wrote: +1

But problem with OP is newcomer. Only two years here. So chances are his RRSP amount 18% might be higher than TFSA contribution limit, 12K+, for last two years.
For the newcomer, how does the TFSA contribution limit work actually? If I am 30 year old and newcomer for 2 year, shouldn't I get the full 70k(max contribution amount) initially and then 6K per year. Or will it be 12K for the 2 year I live in?

I had the impression, newcomers can park their initial savings by opening TFSA.
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SalmanZ93266 wrote: For the newcomer, how does the TFSA contribution limit work actually? If I am 30 year old and newcomer for 2 year, shouldn't I get the full 70k(max contribution amount) initially and then 6K per year. Or will it be 12K for the 2 year I live in?

I had the impression, newcomers can park their initial savings by opening TFSA.
TFSA room will only accumulate when you become a Canadian resident with a SIN. No previous TFSA will accumulate for years you were not Canadian resident. So in your case, it will be 2 years room = $12000. You can also check your limit by calling CRA or logging into CRA my account if you have created one.

https://tfsahelper.ca/for-foreigners/ne ... to-canada/
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sunbat wrote: TFSA room will only accumulate when you become a Canadian resident with a SIN. No previous TFSA will accumulate for years you were not Canadian resident. So in your case, it will be 2 years room = $12000. You can also check your limit by calling CRA or logging into CRA my account if you have created one.

https://tfsahelper.ca/for-foreigners/ne ... to-canada/
Thanks a lot for the helpful information.
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HyperTech wrote: the only and valuable reason to use RRSP, is to defer tax, because you expect to earn LESS, when retired.

let say you earn 100k / year now, you invest in a RRSP to lower your tax bill today.

then at your retirement, if you earn less than 100k, you will safe some money, in theory...

in reality, that doesnt happen really often.
It depends... the question really comes down to is how much does one take out of their RRSP and how long do they plan to be retired for.

Example - if someone works until they are 70 and start removing funds from a large RRSP, then I agree that amount of 'income' may be higher than in the working years. However, if they did some good investments, and did a lot of savings so they could retire early, then the RRSP may not be as large and the funds can be withdrawn over a longer period of time (ie retire at 55 so an extra 15 years of withdraws), the tax situation may be a lot lower as there are no annual mandatory withdraw amounts so some tax planning can happen (ie more withdraws in years with less investment income).
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RRSP = Deferred taxes. Taxes will apply on exit
TFSA = Pre-taxed investments. No tax on exit
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