IPTV Discussions

jonnycee1 wrote: ↑ Because they devolve into useless drivel and use way too much of the volunteer moderator times.

That's one way to put it. It really comes down to it being a legal/piracy issue and we've been told not to allow these discussions here.

TomRFD wrote: ↑ That's one way to put it. It really comes down to it being a legal/piracy issue and we've been told not to allow these discussions here.

As I wrote, there is legal IPTV.

Why would legal IPTV not be allowed?

Can you provide an example of a legal provider? Are you referring to the likes of Rogers Ignite?

I have 2 legit questions, hopefully they will be answered and won't be deleted, locked or whatever.

I know RFD makes money from ads. If I use or discuss ad blockers, does that go against rfd rules?

Legal IPTV is not allowed. Yet RFD has a megathread on firearms. Why is one allowed and one isn't?

Toteva wrote: ↑ Legal IPTV is not allowed. Yet RFD has a megathread on firearms. Why is one allowed and one isn't?

I have always wondered why sex topics are not allowed. Sex is legal. Yeah I know it is an adult topic, but so is booze, and booze threads are allowed. Bottom line is the RFD admins decide what is and isn't allowed, and we have to live with it, no matter how little sense it might make to us. If you really want to discuss some topic that isn't allowed here, you'll have to find another forum.

What exactly defines what's illegal? Sharing and selling Netflix, Spotify passwords, and more? That's clearly allowed on RFD, despite it being against the TOS of the service provider.

It's not illegal to stream copyrighted content in Canada, unlike in the UK. If you torrent versus stream online, you can get a nasty copyright infringement letter from the DMCA because you were "spreading" copyrighted material.

As far as "legitimate" IPTV services goes we have Start, TechSavvy, V Media, Slingtv, Plutotv, and more. Most new tv's come with a built in FAST TV service that is free with around 100 channels. We can't talk about that either, it's IPTV. Technically, even Netflix or Crave TV is IPTV (Internet Protocol Television).

jonnycee1 wrote: ↑ Because they devolve into useless drivel and use way too much of the volunteer moderator times.

Are the mods paid employees of RFD or volunteers?

Magnanimous wrote: ↑ Are the mods paid employees of RFD or volunteers?

Mods are unpaid volunteers.

If I can speculate; illegal IPTV has been a grey area for a while, overlooked by several authorities.

However the bigger cable companies have noticed their sales impacted over the years and got the courts to get ISPs to block some providers.
Example: https://www.mccarthy.ca/en/insights/blo ... gers-media

So, my speculation is:
* Cable companies are willing to expend legal resources into fighting grey area IPTV
* RFD does not want to get caught in the potential cross fire as a perceived illicit marketplace
* The average user is not going to know the difference between illegal and legal, and moderation will be hard. Also they are grey areas such as, is setting up VPN to bypass location restricted services legal?

Just sharing my thought when I saw this thread.

IPTV is not a grey area.

if you are viewing content that the provider you get it from is not licensed to broadcast in the country you are in, you are breaking intellectual property laws.

there are IPTV services that are legal. most are offered by ISP's. there are other legal IPTV services that stream specialized content (only).

there is no IPTV service that is legal in canada which has ESPN, HBO and all the other services that most people want to watch.

the IPTV OP is talking about most likely is not legal.

it is far too much effort for moderators to have to research which IPTV services are legal and which are not, so their discussion is off limits. reddit and other websites have a lot of discussion on IPTV, i suggest you go there for your research.

i am a bit surprised that the mods here are unpaid. gives us a reason to appreciate their work even more.

TrueToy wrote: ↑ IPTV is not a grey area.

if you are viewing content that the provider you get it from is not licensed to broadcast in the country you are in, you are breaking intellectual property laws.

there are IPTV services that are legal. most are offered by ISP's. there are other legal IPTV services that stream specialized content (only).

there is no IPTV service that is legal in canada which has ESPN, HBO and all the other services that most people want to watch.

the IPTV OP is talking about most likely is not legal.

it is far too much effort for moderators to have to research which IPTV services are legal and which are not, so their discussion is off limits. reddit and other websites have a lot of discussion on IPTV, i suggest you go there for your research.

i am a bit surprised that the mods here are unpaid. gives us a reason to appreciate their work even more.

I guess the real question is.. who is responsible for verifying who owns the copyright to a video? Is the consumer expected to verify against a database? How can the average consumer know what a valid service looks like?

Can you show me proof that Rogers have approval to broadcast any channel?

If Rogers is not allowed, then they would get in trouble, not you. By your logic, Rogers and yourself would be at fault and liable for damages.

Tijuana wrote: ↑ I guess the real question is.. who is responsible for verifying who owns the copyright to a video? Is the consumer expected to verify against a database? How can the average consumer know what a valid service looks like?

Can you show me proof that Rogers have approval to broadcast any channel?

If Rogers is not allowed, then they would get in trouble, not you. By your logic, Rogers and yourself would be at fault and liable for damages.

the copyright holder could sue you for illegally streaming their content. they obviously will not do this, but they could. law firms sued people for torrents in canada, they could sue for this, but as of now, they dont.

ignorance of the law is not an excuse

i have a vast, vast collection of pirated content and am not judging anyone. but to say that paying 10$ a month for 6000 channels of illegally rebroadcasted streams is a "legal grey area" is patently false.

Legal IPTV. There is Bell Alt, I'm not in Rogers territory so don't know what they offer. There are the TPIAs who might offer TV service slightly cheaper then the incumbents and don't offer all the channels or all the locals that Bell/Rogers do, Besides most TPIAs that do offer a TV service have been gobbled up By Bell, Telus and Videotron.

While the illegal has copyrighted material, They also have a lot of content not available through Bell and Rogers Ethnic channels are very few and super Expensive. So while I do have a small TV package for Canadian US channels and Sports, I do have stable illegal one for the channels that I can not get here in Canada. I can keep up to date on what going on in my native land.

Problem in even starting a thread on legal iptv is that it derails very fast with people posting which ones they have, most of them not good IMO and then asking which one is better, In the past when it was allowed to talk about iptv here, there were members that even posted screen shots of the channel listings. Popular Canadian and US channels. I remember telling the poster to remove the pictures. And he said he saw nothing wrong with it. Totally unreal. I was Mod at a famous IPTV forum. Won't name it here. They got shut down. they were huge. After that a couple of other smaller sites shut down.

But its not just RFD, Other sites now do not allow discussion or promotion of ilegal IPTV, Reddi.. is another one and I find that is the right way to go. They have to protect their behinds.

It's because it's hard to moderate which iptv are legal and what are not. Legit iptv is better then cable sure but far from what people want in an iptv service. You are allowed to discuss it to a certain point I think, but you need to be careful. Like I can say which app I think is the best to use. (TiviMate btw) it's not illegal, it's in the playstore. But I can't say what service I use because it's in a grey area. Kinda illegal, kinda not. Like flight club, and you know what the first rule of fight club is.

TrueToy wrote: ↑ IPTV is not a grey area.

I think this explains it pretty well why it's considered to be in a "grey area" This is just from a blog I found online so it may not be accurate and the laws may have been updated since then. This is exactly how I understood the whole copyright thing in Canada tho

Iptv is a grey area at the moment in Canada. The big telecom companies and cable Companies don't like it so they try blocking services or taking the server owners to court for income loss etc. When it comes to legal terms it is not yet made clear in any laws. Reason is because in Canada the laws for copyright and pirate materials are directed towards downloading content, whereas iptv services being used by customers is streaming. The owners and providers can be taken to court because they are first downloading content. Customers are safe and not going to get fined/sued unless you record and store on your devices or download the content. This is because you are then downloading the media and content to your own device/network.