Issue with Wall Sconce base that is smaller than junction box

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Mar 4th, 2022 7:01 pm

nielboy [OP]: Deal Addict; Jun 12, 2008; 3470 posts; 1039 upvotes; Ancaster

Mar 4th, 2022 7:01 pm

Issue with Wall Sconce base that is smaller than junction box

Hi Everyone,

I’ve come across an issue with installing some linear LED wall sconces that I need some help with.

They cannot be installed into a standard junction box as the mounting base is a small diameter. The offshore seller advised that they can only be installed on the wall by drilling holes into the drywall and attaching the fixtures mounting plate on the wall with wall plugs.

I’m not an electrician but I think that the Canadian electrical codes won’t allow for an install with no junction box. The diameter of the base is only 2 ½” so even the smaller 3 ¼” junction box would be visible in behind the sconce.

Does anyone know of a smaller junction box or a workaround that I could use to cover the junction box.

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Mar 4th, 2022 7:11 pm

l69norm: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 19256 posts; 6287 upvotes; London

Mar 4th, 2022 7:11 pm

The junction box can be part of the fixture itself, (i.e. like item 2 in your diagram acts as the junction box), but it would need to be CSA approved (or equivalent)

Since the instructions refer to 220V, this fixture might not be CSA approved

Mar 4th, 2022 8:25 pm

ChicoQuente: Deal Fanatic; Jun 21, 2003; 5898 posts; 3278 upvotes; Stoney Creek, ON

Mar 4th, 2022 8:25 pm

Boxes are standard sizes. The only differences you’ll find are variable depths which won’t work for you. I think these fixtures may not be possible to install and satisfy CEC requirements.

Do the fixtures have a CSA or cUL certification on them anywhere?

Mar 4th, 2022 9:46 pm

IcarusLSC: Deal Addict; Nov 7, 2016; 2640 posts; 1568 upvotes; Ontario

Mar 4th, 2022 9:46 pm

If they came from offshore seller, all most guaranteed they are not CSA/CUL approved for use here.
Amazon, AliExpress etc are FULL of junk like that...

Mar 4th, 2022 9:55 pm

sherwoodRFD: Sr. Member; Aug 22, 2012; 540 posts; 554 upvotes; Mark Town

Mar 4th, 2022 9:55 pm

the junction box is builtin with the fixture. Many vanity lights sold in Canada are installed without external junction box.

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Mar 5th, 2022 9:13 am

nielboy [OP]: Deal Addict; Jun 12, 2008; 3470 posts; 1039 upvotes; Ancaster

Mar 5th, 2022 9:13 am

Hey thanks everyone for all the info. I appreciate it.

The instructions make reference only to the 220V, but the website state the following - 110V~240V (we will prepare the lighting voltage according to the voltage of buyer's country).

There are lots of positive reviews from buyers in States and Canada so the lights are decent quality. I just didn't want to wing it with ESA standards.

Thanks again.

Mar 5th, 2022 9:17 am

lamin: Deal Addict; Jan 21, 2011; 1238 posts; 662 upvotes; GTA

Mar 5th, 2022 9:17 am

Another idea might be to use a wood block as a cover plate for the box and a base for light. Just not sure what colour configuration to suggest.

Mar 5th, 2022 1:47 pm

ChicoQuente: Deal Fanatic; Jun 21, 2003; 5898 posts; 3278 upvotes; Stoney Creek, ON

Mar 5th, 2022 1:47 pm

nielboy wrote: ↑ Hey thanks everyone for all the info. I appreciate it.

The instructions make reference only to the 220V, but the website state the following - 110V~240V (we will prepare the lighting voltage according to the voltage of buyer's country).

There are lots of positive reviews from buyers in States and Canada so the lights are decent quality. I just didn't want to wing it with ESA standards.

Thanks again.

Just keep in mind that if there is no CSA or cUL approvals on the fixtures then you are still winging it with ESA standards as the fixtures are not approved. There could be lots of reviews from buyers here but if they aren’t approved that just means those people didn’t care that the fixtures aren’t supposed to be used.

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