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JD Power: Genesis, KIA, Hyundai 1-2-3 in new vehicle quality

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JD Power: Genesis, KIA, Hyundai 1-2-3 in new vehicle quality

Oh oh... RFD Hyundai-KIA haters are going to have a melt-down.

JD Power Annual Survey for New Vehicle Quality - Toronto Star
The survey also found that Korean brands Genesis, Kia and Hyundai claimed the top three spots for the first time in new vehicle quality.
-Toronto Star
JD Power 2018 US Initial Quality Study Results


I dunno.... if true and quality lasts, guess they've come a long way.
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President Trump will say this is Fake news ! Smiling Face With Open Mouth And Smiling Eyes
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The reality is, aside from the worst offenders like Fiat/Chrysler and MINI, most of the companies are pretty close in terms of quality, with Lexus leading the way.
Also, JDP's initial quality study is only a small picture. Long term studies are also important to look at. The Korean brands are killing it though with their new cars, especially in looks/performance vs Honda/Toyota. They did recently have that big engine recall with failing oil pumps/bearings. If they made a BRZ competitor with similar or less weight and 250+ HP I'd be all over it.
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VDS is more useful than initial quality test.
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For certain vehicle parts, several manufacturers will order from the same supplier. Hyundai actually has stricter tolerances for how many defects they're willing to accept from the supplier, than compared to Honda. So this isn't too surprising to me
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IQS hardly has anything to do with reliability, it's highly subjective and rates things like infotainment usability/intuitive interfaces, buttons, etc. With that, I've gotta give it to the Koreans for keeping the most useful things as physical buttons/knobs(radio, HVAC) instead of stupid touch screen menus(i'm looking at you Honda and Toyota). I'd bet that won them alot of points.
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chimaican wrote: Oh oh... RFD Hyundai-KIA haters are going to have a melt-down.
Their loss.
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I dunno what kind of quality is determined after the whole 90 days comparing to car's life cycle which is typically around 10 years :rolleyes:
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engineered wrote: The reality is, aside from the worst offenders like Fiat/Chrysler and MINI, most of the companies are pretty close in terms of quality, with Lexus leading the way.
Also, JDP's initial quality study is only a small picture. Long term studies are also important to look at. The Korean brands are killing it though with their new cars, especially in looks/performance vs Honda/Toyota. They did recently have that big engine recall with failing oil pumps/bearings. If they made a BRZ competitor with similar or less weight and 250+ HP I'd be all over it.
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JD Power is a paid shill for manufacturers, it's literally what they do to make money. Nobody finds it odd that somehow all 3 companies are owned by the same entity and claimed all 3 top spots?
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Elusivellama wrote: JD Power is a paid shill for manufacturers, it's literally what they do to make money. Nobody finds it odd that somehow all 3 companies are owned by the same entity and claimed all 3 top spots?
Actually, it makes a lot of sense. If one was good in initial quality, why wouldn't the others be too?

The amount of whining people do about Hyundai/Kia on this forum is incredible. The survey is just initial quality, just like the name says.
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plans4canada wrote: Initial quality doesn't say much
No, but if beige Corollas had won, would there be any complaining?
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Symplr wrote: No, but if beige Corollas had won, would there be any complaining?
I would have to say that nothing looks better than a beige on beige Corolla :twisted:
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I’ve owned five or six Toyotas. Reliability is a short list requirement in my selection criteria. I currently drive a Kia, bought new. I’d buy another. There has been a difference in dealership experience, the Kia service somewhat less satisfying, but the car has been good.

To those who refuse to see the evidence, consider that other sources such as Consumer Reports and Car and Driver, two sources with different missions, express the same general opinions about the brands.

I’d add though, that Genesis aside, Kia and Hyundai aren’t quite the obvious bargains they once were. I’m actively shopping atm and I’m finding pricing overall less than Japanese brands but only moderately so. I’m not drinking the koolaid. Resale is still poorer so the vehicles need to be cheaper on day one. Quality though, is there.
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BBZero wrote: VDS is more useful than initial quality test.
Exactly! First three months' ownership = quality??? Lol.


Take a closer look at JDP, it's all about marketing and making money. Is it truly neutral and unbiased?
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JasonCao wrote: Elantra GT N(i30N) and Veloster N, I think Canada will get the Veloster N in 2019. if they bring over the i30N from Europe would be awesome as well. but they are all FWD, competitor with CTR.
Just read a comparison test from a mag, nothing but disappointment.
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Hahaha you will always have old timers that are data averse who won't like the results. Of course 20 years ago when their favourite brand was at the top of the list they didn't have any problems with the survey lol. Toyota, Honda and Nissan no longer dominate the survey year-after-year and change is more difficult the older you get.

When I read "90 days isn't enough" I genuinely laugh because Reliability Engineers all use 90 days in almost every industry. But these “RFD quality experts” don’t have the slightest clue about 90 days being an optimal leading indicator. The majority of car problems occur within the first three months, that’s why reliability engineers use a bathtub curve. While major failures are rare these days they typically occur very early on (mortality curve) just like what happened with the brand new Civic that was recalled and had a stop sale. Or the when Subaru updated their 2.5 and it developed oil consumption issues.

There’s a reason why JD Power has been doing this for 30 years, is the leader for reliability rankings, and why it is used in car reviews. There’s also a reason why every car manufacturer has dedicated teams to JD Power results and has JD Power employees working directly in house who focus on initial quality.

You simply have a lot of butt-hurt people who don't like the result. Times change, but some people don't want it to.
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people get so butthurt over these surveys

so much butthurt

my gf owned a hyundai for like 6 years....that thing never gave her one issue

my mom just bought a Hyundai Kona. I recommended Hyundai/Kia to her because she wants something that's not going to give her much trouble while being a good value. Value wise it's tough to beat the Koreans

I own a car from a brand that will probably never make this list. How many f's do I give? Nil.

I don't even know why people care about these god damn surveys.
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