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kitchen p-trap disintegrated-floor/water damage

hey everyone.
last night i noticed my floor was wet in the kitchen.
as i tried to determine the cause of the water leak, I found that a small hole had developed in the kitchen sing P-trap (j-trap). The copper/brass has corroded enough that a small hole was letting water leak through.
This must have been happening for a few days at least, cause I only felt the water in the floor yesterday.

anyway, I fixed the p-trap, but now my laminate flooring is "buckling". I have a heater blowing on it to help evaporate some of the water, but I fear that it's too late for these guys. even after they shrink up and lose the excess water, I don't see them going back to normal.

so I'm debating if I should make an insurance claim or not, and how that will impact me:

I live in a 700 sq ft condo..
Im concerned that if I try to replace this (hire someone), I may not be able to find the same laminate floor boards. If I can't....... then I need to replace the whole condo.... it needs to match. Replacing the whole condo I estimate in the $5k rannge.

Fixing the kitchen, if I can find the pieces, will probably be in the $1k-$2k range I think...

well heres the thing, insurance has a $1,000 deductible. And im not sure what that will mean to my premiums/insurability in the future.. has anyone dealt with these issues in the past.
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Were you using Drain-O or other corrosive clog cleaners?
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bernierydes wrote: hey everyone.
last night i noticed my floor was wet in the kitchen.
as i tried to determine the cause of the water leak, I found that a small hole had developed in the kitchen sing P-trap (j-trap). The copper/brass has corroded enough that a small hole was letting water leak through.
This must have been happening for a few days at least, cause I only felt the water in the floor yesterday.

anyway, I fixed the p-trap, but now my laminate flooring is "buckling". I have a heater blowing on it to help evaporate some of the water, but I fear that it's too late for these guys. even after they shrink up and lose the excess water, I don't see them going back to normal.

so I'm debating if I should make an insurance claim or not, and how that will impact me:

I live in a 700 sq ft condo..
Im concerned that if I try to replace this (hire someone), I may not be able to find the same laminate floor boards. If I can't....... then I need to replace the whole condo.... it needs to match. Replacing the whole condo I estimate in the $5k rannge.

Fixing the kitchen, if I can find the pieces, will probably be in the $1k-$2k range I think...

well heres the thing, insurance has a $1,000 deductible. And im not sure what that will mean to my premiums/insurability in the future.. has anyone dealt with these issues in the past.
Just an FYI had water damaged in kitchen. Water went through the floor, damaged basement ceiling. Called insurance, damaged been estimated to $4K, including $1K for the cleaning company. Ended up not claiming, with my $1K deductible. Paid $700 to the cleaning company, and invested less than $800 to repair basement ceiling and floor.

Insurance increase would have been worse than this for the next few years if I claimed, IMHO
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engineered wrote: Were you using Drain-O or other corrosive clog cleaners?
never
DoorCrasher wrote:
Just an FYI had water damaged in kitchen. Water went through the floor, damaged basement ceiling. Called insurance, damaged been estimated to $4K, including $1K for the cleaning company. Ended up not claiming, with my $1K deductible. Paid $700 to the cleaning company, and invested less than $800 to repair basement ceiling and floor.

Insurance increase would have been worse than this for the next few years if I claimed, IMHO
yeah I'm feeling the same way. were you able to find your flooring in store easily?
ive emailed management, i hope i can find this same flooring otherwise I'm screwed.
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bernierydes wrote: never


yeah I'm feeling the same way. were you able to find your flooring in store easily?
ive emailed management, i hope i can find this same flooring otherwise I'm screwed.
Kitchen floor is eeramicac and had no damages. Basement Ffoor was vinyl tiles over plywood. Changed plywood, and installed vinyl planks
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How does a corroded trap cause that much damage? Wouldn't you have noticed the water as soon as it started leaking onto the floor? It's not a constant water source, it would only leak when you ran the tap.

How much of your flooring needs to replaced? Surely you can do it for relatively cheap if it's just laminate. Contact the manufacturer if you can't find it in stores.
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bernierydes wrote: never


yeah I'm feeling the same way. were you able to find your flooring in store easily?
ive emailed management, i hope i can find this same flooring otherwise I'm screwed.
Wow, how old is the place? I'm guessing old since the p-trap is metal.
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engineered wrote: Wow, how old is the place? I'm guessing old since the p-trap is metal.
OP says condo so metal is required (assuming Ontario.)
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hoob wrote: OP says condo so metal is required (assuming Ontario.)
Ahh, good to know. Doesn't sounds like the metal is a good idea. Still curious how old it is. Perhaps previous owners used DrainO.
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Something seems off
How can a leaky p trap cause that much damage?
Faucet would've had to have been running constantly
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mau_mau wrote: Something seems off
How can a leaky p trap cause that much damage?
Faucet would've had to have been running constantly
Yup. But possible that OP was using kitchen sink regularly not aware of the leak below. Even a glass of water on these fabricated wood floors can cause bubbles and warps.
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engineered wrote: Ahh, good to know. Doesn't sounds like the metal is a good idea. Still curious how old it is. Perhaps previous owners used DrainO.
it's 8 years old... guy at Lowes said this happens. At least he made it seem like a common problem.
Shaner wrote: How does a corroded trap cause that much damage? Wouldn't you have noticed the water as soon as it started leaking onto the floor? It's not a constant water source, it would only leak when you ran the tap.

How much of your flooring needs to replaced? Surely you can do it for relatively cheap if it's just laminate. Contact the manufacturer if you can't find it in stores.
i wish i did. but it leaked into the back
hoob wrote: OP says condo so metal is required (assuming Ontario.)
I didn't know that. Is there a reason? I ran out to lowes the night it happened cause I had stuff in the sink when I noticed it... They only had ABS I think it's called, or PVC.. it's black.... So I used that to replace the ptrap... and it fits fine.. but will need to change it to metal if that's the case.

mau_mau wrote: Something seems off
How can a leaky p trap cause that much damage?
Faucet would've had to have been running constantly
It's not a leaky P-trap. The p-trap formed a small hole at the bottom of it.
The water dripped down into the cabinet, but it didn't come out the front where I could see it. It went into a small hole that they used to feed water to the dishwasher at the back of the cabinet..... From there it leaked into the floor board.
I'm assuming it was at least 1-2 days worth of kitchen leaking, so if I asusme only p-trap water, maybe 4-6 full ptraps worth of water. The hole was right at the bottom of the p-trap.. so not only was it draining all the water in the p-trap, likely draining a good portion of regular water pouring down too.
I only noticed it when it was already in the floor.
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In hindsight, it's likely I nicked the p-trap when I was moving stuff around underneath, which caused the hole to form.
Because after I noticed the water leakage, I removed the p-trap, it literally disintegrated... At the bottom of the p-trap the metal basically flaked off.... So it was basically a ticking time bomb.
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bernierydes wrote: In hindsight, it's likely I nicked the p-trap when I was moving stuff around underneath, which caused the hole to form.
Because after I noticed the water leakage, I removed the p-trap, it literally disintegrated... At the bottom of the p-trap the metal basically flaked off.... So it was basically a ticking time bomb.
That shouldn't happen. It should last 50+ years. Must be some crap metal made from chinesium. Typical builder cheaping out.
Did you take any pics?
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I had the same thing happen with a p trap made of brass/copper/whatever metal it was in a condo built in 2001.

I stored a bucket under the sink and it just happened to fit the best under the ptrap so that saved me from water damage. Let me see if I can find a pic of my ptrap that disintegrated.
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