Landlord working four jobs because tenant is playing her by not paying rent

All we need is transparency on both sides. Landlord AND tenant database would solve most issues. Anyone who wants one or the other has something to hide IMO.

I don’t see the need for an LTB. The house does not belong to Tennants . Rights and limitations should be dictated in the lease agreement.

Get rid of ltb and ltb rules and regs.
Why do we need to build more on a broken system. We don’t need any databases.

We need to get back to the basics

It is sad but not surprising, the laws and process/system doesn't help the small landlords. And government won't change the system because there isn't enough political will to do so as small landlords will always be a minority.

You have better protection from laws as a commercial business against random passerby than as a landlord against unpaid tenants. And it is not like it is hard to fix either, you don't see the government tolerates delay in collecting their property tax.

That’s not ok.

moeymoeymoeymoe wrote: ↑ I don’t see the need for an LTB. The house does not belong to Tennants . Rights and limitations should be dictated in the lease agreement.

Get rid of ltb and ltb rules and regs.
Why do we need to build more on a broken system. We don’t need any databases.

We need to get back to the basics

Exactly. Your agreement should be enforceable... Not this stuff that says your can't put certain rules on your contract. Eg if it say no pets, it means no pets, if I say no guests past a certain time, it means no guests, if it says no smoking, it means no smoking, etc.

Whatever is agreed to should be enforceable.

Re rent paid, you should be evictable after one month in arrears IMO.

Apparently she did not do a background check until after they moved in if she found out later that they have done this before.
Also has she actually filed an eviction notice legally starting with the proper forms as soon as they didn't pay?

And if she has/is waiting for a hearing does she plan to go after them and get the money garnished?
If they can't pay a garnishment did she check their employment before renting to them?

That said she can sell the place and walk away with the proceeds. Is it made more difficult with these moochers, yes but its another option.

All that said this is up to Doug Ford, he can make sure there are enough judges to hear cases in a timely manner and he can adjust the law to make expedient eviction a reality and balance the landlord tenant laws which are frankly unbalanced in favour of deadbeat tenants. By coddling to deadbeats it makes life harder for reasonable tenants of lower income who are not deadbeats.

The province should have a database of deadbeat tenants with unpaid judgments against them that landlords can cross reference. Deadbeats should not be able to scam person after person. Unpaid judgments can also be mandated onto a person's credit rating.

There is a standardized lease, it would be nice if it included steps landlords should take before renting such as credit and employment checks.

This problem is not hard to solve at the provincial level.

gr8dlr wrote: ↑ if I say no guests past a certain time, it means no guests

What makes you think you have any right to dictate what another person does or does not do?

Quentin5 wrote: ↑ Apparently she did not do a background check until after they moved in if she found out later that they have done this before.
Also has she actually filed an eviction notice legally starting with the proper forms as soon as they didn't pay?

And if she has/is waiting for a hearing does she plan to go after them and get the money garnished?
If they can't pay a garnishment did she check their employment before renting to them?

That said she can sell the place and walk away with the proceeds. Is it made more difficult with these moochers, yes but its another option.

All that said this is up to Doug Ford, he can make sure there are enough judges to hear cases in a timely manner and he can adjust the law to make expedient eviction a reality and balance the landlord tenant laws which are frankly unbalanced in favour of deadbeat tenants. By coddling to deadbeats it makes life harder for reasonable tenants of lower income who are not deadbeats.

The province should have a database of deadbeat tenants with unpaid judgments against them that landlords can cross reference. Deadbeats should not be able to scam person after person. Unpaid judgments can also be mandated onto a person's credit rating.

There is a standardized lease, it would be nice if it included steps landlords should take before renting such as credit and employment checks.

This problem is not hard to solve at the provincial level.

Landlord should stay united against those shaddy tenants.

Our law always protect those shaddy people. We need some law that can kick people to the street any time.

In Asia, if you don't pay rent, we can send you to jail immediately. In Canada, landlord has no human rights.

SkynyrdsInyrds wrote: ↑ What makes you think you have any right to dictate what another person does or does not do?

It's an agreement. If you accept the terms and the rent discount that might go with it why should you turn around and complain about it? If you don't like the terms, don't rent it

Reasons...
Perhaps I'm a very light sleeper. Perhaps the walls are thin.

This could ONLY happen in Ontario. The mecca of scammer tenants.

SkynyrdsInyrds wrote: ↑ What makes you think you have any right to dictate what another person does or does not do?

This makes sense for shared accommodation. The reason why these rules exist is because people in general are incapable of policing themselves. You shouldn't have to be told not to have loud, belligerent guests screaming at the top of their lungs at 4AM. But unfortunately some people do.

JayLove06 wrote: ↑ This makes sense for shared accommodation. The reason why these rules exist is because people in general are incapable of policing themselves. You shouldn't have to be told not to have loud, belligerent guests screaming at the top of their lungs at 4AM. But unfortunately some people do.

Exactly. It's called house rules... Stipulated and disclosed upfront. Where's the problem when you expect them to be adhered to?

ilovetoyota wrote: ↑ Landlord should stay united against those shaddy tenants.

Our law always protect those shaddy people. We need some law that can kick people to the street any time.

In Asia, if you don't pay rent, we can send you to jail immediately. In Canada, landlord has no human rights.

I've been on both sides of the fence, scumbag landlords and dealing with PITA tenants.
The laws need to designed to protect both. And it can, if the will is there.

Tenants should not be able to not pay rent for months or years and get away with it and then do it over and over again to other people. Or cause damage that they don't have to pay for becasue its very hard to get judgments against them and sometimes impossible to get wage garnishments. Then landlords understandably don't want to rent to tenants who are of low income becasue they know that the laws are stacked against them, so honest people suffer.

On the flip side landlords who don't fix things (including safety issues), don't maintain the property, harass tenants and more are insane. I have had landlords try to ban reasonable personal possessions and ones who would routinely violate the 24 hours notice laws and much more.

Laws that protect both sides interests are not difficult to enact but the government has no interest in making it happen.

gr8dlr wrote: ↑ It's an agreement. If you accept the terms and the rent discount that might go with it why should you turn around and complain about it? If you don't like the terms, don't rent it

Reasons...
Perhaps I'm a very light sleeper. Perhaps the walls are thin.

Landlords don't have the right to impose ridiculous terms like that. Once they rent their property it becomes a commercial property and a commercial transaction, and there are laws that apply. Landlords should not be allowed to dictate other people's behaviour.

We are in the process of putting the family home up for sale, and I will be renting for a year while deciding whether to stay in the area or to move away. While checking listings I have seen some preposterous **** rules that landlords are trying to impose - including no guests of the opposite sex, what people can or cannot eat, etc.!

Landlords have absolutely no right to dictate how other people live their lives.

ilovetoyota wrote: ↑ We need some law that can kick people to the street any time.

You're special.

In Asia, if you don't pay rent, we can send you to jail immediately.

Right, sure.

In Canada, landlord has no human rights.

You clearly don't understand A) that the laws vary by province so one cannot say "in Canada"; and B) you have no **** idea what human rights are.

SkynyrdsInyrds wrote: ↑ Landlords don't have the right to impose ridiculous terms like that. Once they rent their property it becomes a commercial property and a commercial transaction, and there are laws that apply. Landlords should not be allowed to dictate other people's behaviour.

We are in the process of putting the family home up for sale, and I will be renting for a year while deciding whether to stay in the area or to move away. While checking listings I have seen some preposterous **** rules that landlords are trying to impose - including no guests of the opposite sex, what people can or cannot eat, etc.!

Landlords have absolutely no right to dictate how other people live their lives.

What about the landlords RIGHTS to enforce what the tenant agreed to like paying rent?

https://www.lawdepot.ca/contracts/resid ... iYdTTjMIkI

A Residential Lease Agreement is a contract between a landlord and tenant that is used to set out the terms of a residential tenancy, including the rights and responsibilities of each party. A Residential Lease can be used when renting a room, house, apartment, condo, basement suite, duplex, mobile home, or town home.

The lease AGREEMENT....sets out the terms. If the tenant doesn't like the terms he is under absolutely NO OBLIGATION TO SIGN IT and be bound by it. This is what an AGREEMENT is. A landlord is not dictating how "other people live" - agreed. They are not dictating what the tenant does outside and away from their property where the agreement has no reach. They do have a right to dictate the RESPONSIBILITIES that the tenant of within THEIR PROPERTY.

Examples:
>Having ppl over is wear and tear on their property and has an effect on costs incurred by the landlord [like higher water usage].
>Smoking leaves residues/smells in the property,
>Pets can also have wear and tear and can effect re-leasability of the property to ppl who may have allergies.
>Maybe the landlord lives in one of the rooms, maybe the landlord is a female and she's experienced trauma committed by someone of the opposite sex and is not comfortable with a roommate have men come over....is that unreasonable and preposterous?

I don't get why you're arguing this. Bottom line is if you don't like the terms, don't sign the agreement.

If you rent a car, is it reasonable for a car rental company to stipulate MILEAGE restriction or BOUNDARY restrictions [Canadian car travelling being used in the US]? Isn't that a dictating of how other ppl live their lives?

According to your position why do you care if landlords are putting in "preposterous **** rules", if you feel "Landlords don't have the right to impose ridiculous terms like that"? Just rent it...because "they have absolutely no right to dictate how other people live their lives"

I am a landlord. I have no sympathy for this person.

Yes, it sucks for them, but this is the consequences of the decisions they made. They are just as culpable in this mess as the tenants who do not pay their rent.

Lol at the Landlords playing the victim here when right now we as Landlords have the best cards on the table. (At least here in Ontario)

Right now the demand is so crazy that people is offering six and even more months in advance AND sometimes offering more money in order to get the rental.

Also some Landlords right now are taking advance of the situation and adding some crazy clausules to the contract schedules.

I am a Landlord and I have no sympathy for the OP story because you as a Landlord need to take every possible measure to make sure you pick a good tenants for your investment property.

gr8dlr wrote: ↑ Exactly. Your agreement should be enforceable... Not this stuff that says your can't put certain rules on your contract. Eg if it say no pets, it means no pets, if I say no guests past a certain time, it means no guests, if it says no smoking, it means no smoking, etc.

Whatever is agreed to should be enforceable.

Re rent paid, you should be evictable after one month in arrears IMO.

If this is your mindset, then I can believe you are a nightmare landlord.

In this tight housing market, renters can be and are often heavily exploited by Landlords, just like how renters can exploit Landlords themselves too (except one is financially and other is more on restrictions)

Who are you to tell someone what they can and can't do in their self-contained unit? You listed a few restrictions that you may deem non-restrictivr, but where does it end? Without any regulations, you'd have landlords adding clauses such as "no sex, no meat, no loud noises after 7pm, etc"

Getting a terrible tenant is the cost of business and being a landlord isn't "risk free money" like everyone thinks it is. For every landlord exploiting their tenant, there's an equal renter exploiting the landlord.

I honestly think every rental property should be added to a database where some fee is taken to help support the LTB operationally where they can be held accountable for specific SLAs, such as processing of eviction notices of non rent payment within 90 days, etc.