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Is a left turn ever not @ fault? Specific situation, extreme speed.

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Is a left turn ever not @ fault? Specific situation, extreme speed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6149593

“ Crash happened after 3 motorcycles seen travelling at high speed, police say…

Williams explained the white Toyota took a left turn, at which point one of the motorcyclists crashed into the car, forcing him to be ejected from the motorcycle.“

I’m not saying this happened. But lets just say theoretically, the motorcycle was traveling twice the speed limit.

Then person making left turn misjudges. Usually if a vehicle is a few blocks away you're good. But not if they are traveling @ extremely high speeds.

A bit of a squid move i think… Back in the day when i was motorcycling… i recall intersections had to be approached with extreme caution. Especially when theres turning vehicles. But i wasnt really a “speedy” type. I had a 1978 Honda CB400. More interested in vintage Old stuff…
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23 years ago when I was driving around with my instructor and I entered the intersection from the left turn lane he advised to never proceed unless I was 100% certain the intersection would be clear. I’ve caught myself in situations here and there where I’ve assumed the oncoming driver would stop yet still paused only to watch the driver continue ahead through the red light before I crossed through.
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100Pacer wrote: 23 years ago when I was driving around with my instructor and I entered the intersection from the left turn lane he advised to never proceed unless I was 100% certain the intersection would be clear. I’ve caught myself in situations here and there where I’ve assumed the oncoming driver would stop yet still paused only to watch the driver continue ahead through the red light before I crossed through.
Oh yeah, experienced a few similar situations. Even if the light turns yellow and your in the intersection. Sometimes, you just have to wait for the light to turn red and the vehicle stops.
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Somehow those bikers in a group act like they are invincible, now we prove they are as vulnerable as single rider.
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Good topic. I'll bet this happens all the time. There was just a fatal accident like this near me. Guy pulled out of his driveway and was t-boned by some other guy running from the cops. Probably checked if the way was clear and pulled out, but the crook was going twice the speed limit and so they misjudged the turn and were killed in the collision.
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My understanding is that when you're turning left it's your responsibility to make sure its clear before proceeding, regardless of circumstances.

I assume if you can prove (good luck) that the other person was going at twice the speed limit or ran the red light etc it would probably reduce you from full fault to partial fault.

ie. just because the light turns yellow doesn't mean you go.
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Ecsta wrote: My understanding is that when you're turning left it's your responsibility to make sure its clear before proceeding, regardless of circumstances.

I assume if you can prove (good luck) that the other person was going at twice the speed limit or ran the red light etc it would probably reduce you from full fault to partial fault.

ie. just because the light turns yellow doesn't mean you go.
But theoretically. There is proof. Guy going straight was going 200km/hr in a 40 zone. Its all over the news. Toronto Police report it in a press conference vowing to crack down on street racing.
Cameras, videos, even 3 eye witness testimony and police accident reconstruction investigations confirming it.
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UrbanPoet wrote: But theoretically. There is proof. Guy going straight was going 200km/hr in a 40 zone. Its all over the news. Toronto Police report it in a press conference vowing to crack down on street racing.
Cameras, videos, even 3 eye witness testimony and police accident reconstruction investigations confirming it.
Are you talking about this particular accident or in general with left turns?

If the police issue a ticket and the other driver is charged then it is a factor. I'm sure the insurance experts will chime in soon.

If you're that curious you can read the fault determination rules:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_F ... tion_Rules
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Ecsta wrote: Are you talking about this particular accident or in general with left turns?

If the police issue a ticket and the other driver is charged then it is a factor. I'm sure the insurance experts will chime in soon.

If you're that curious you can read the fault determination rules:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_F ... tion_Rules
Can/would the police issue a ticket to a dead guy?
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Ecsta wrote: Are you talking about this particular accident or in general with left turns?

If the police issue a ticket and the other driver is charged then it is a factor. I'm sure the insurance experts will chime in soon.

If you're that curious you can read the fault determination rules:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_F ... tion_Rules
Yeah i get it. Left turn is automatically @ fault.
I’m speaking from the perspective of an exceptional circumstance.

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