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Legacy totaled--need replacement-*update*

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Legacy totaled--need replacement-*update*

What I thought was just a fender bender 2 weeks ago has turned into a writeoff by insurance of our 2013 Subaru Legacy with only 96K. I assumed it was going to be fixed. We received $12,775 for it, including full amount for my new Blizzak WS90s. I am going away Dec 21-28, but will need a car immediately in the new year, and I just haven't been keeping up on such stuff. My wife--it was her car--wants to replace it with another Legacy; I see a 2015 for $16000, but I'm wondering if that's because she feels guilty about the accident! Any thoughts? A 2016 Impreza might do but the last time I drove an Impreza it was gutless and noisy. She didn't like the Camry much, so maybe an Accord. We use the RAV4 for family road trips with dog, etc, so this will be mainly a city car. She likes sedans, and picked the Subaru because it has by far the best visibility, esp. for shoulder checks. Maybe the GMs are better now, like a 2017 Regal.
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Why second guess what she says she wants? Have learned nothing in your years of marriage? :)

Seriously, if this is primarily her car, let her decide.

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CNeufeld wrote: Why second guess what she says she wants? Have learned nothing in your years of marriage? :)

Seriously, if this is primarily her car, let her decide.

C
Exactly, even her choice is not the best choice, but her choice will be always the best :)
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MP3_SKY wrote: Exactly, even her choice is not the best choice, but her choice will be always the best :)
Point taken, and she enjoyed driving it. We also have tall teenagers and it is a good car for them, too. I just find the fit and finish on Subarus pretty bad, and the dealers in Edmonton are terrible (one greedy man owns the only 2 dealerships), and I cannot find a good local Subaru mechanic (I took the Legacy to Toyota).
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How about a Lexus IS or ES
It sounds like you are looking toward an used.

Lexus are great and reliable, ES is FWD, but a set of winter tires solve the winter/snow issue.
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Mazda 6? It's underpowered relative to its competitors and cabin room is not as good as the others, but its probably the best looking and has the best interior of the bunch.

Jetta GLI is another option if good visibility is near the top of the list.
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MP3_SKY wrote: How about a Lexus IS or ES
It sounds like you are looking toward an used.

Lexus are great and reliable, ES is FWD, but a set of winter tires solve the winter/snow issue.
I would like that, but out of our price range of $15K or so. My mom had the original 1989 ES250. It was her favourite car ever, and she drove it for 15 years until the Ontario salt took it.

I think she would be fine with a Civic esp since it will be a city car.
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CNeufeld wrote: Why second guess what she says she wants? Have learned nothing in your years of marriage? :)

Seriously, if this is primarily her car, let her decide.

C
LOL had to upvote this!! Face With Tears Of Joy
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I would avoid the first year of that generation Legacy/Outback (2015}. I believe it had some oil consumption issues.
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Philbert wrote: Maybe the GMs are better now, like a 2017 Regal.
LOL! If by better you mean still crap then sure,go for a GM.
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frogger wrote: I would avoid the first year of that generation Legacy/Outback (2015}. I believe it had some oil consumption issues.
Is there any year that doesn’t have this issue? This was one reason I was bummed the car couldn’t be repaired—it had no issues of any kind and the tranny warranty was extended.
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frogger wrote: I would avoid the first year of that generation Legacy/Outback (2015}. I believe it had some oil consumption issues.
I think you may be confusing that with other models, the 2015 Legacy and Outback's either 2.5 H4 or 3.0 H6 seem pretty bullet proof (especially the H6). I'm sure there might be isolated problems as with any car or engine, but I think you'd be pretty unlucky to get one that has problems IF it has been maintained properly by previous owner(s). The Subaru 2.5L H4 was totally reworked for that model year, but it was an upgrade evolution of the engine rather than a new design, and it has proven to be the most reliable of the normally aspirated 2.5L FHI engines.

The 3L H6 now that is just a silky balanced engine, not super powerful or performance orientated, but boy was it designed well. If you get the chance (yes I know most will never have the opportunity to do this), line up a car with both engines side by side and let them idle for a minute, then place your hand on the plastic engine covers of each. You'll feel the difference I'm talking about. Don't get me wrong, the 4 cylinder horizontally opposed engine is good, but there has always been something special about H6 engines (just ask Porsche owners, or Goldwing drivers, or indeed Ferrari owners who had 2 of them fused together).

To the OP, if you can find a Legacy in that price range with the H6 engine I'd recommend it, they only came in the higher trim levels and were often bought by more mature people who appreciate the engineering of that powerplant.
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Philbert wrote: Is there any year that doesn’t have this issue? This was one reason I was bummed the car couldn’t be repaired—it had no issues of any kind and the tranny warranty was extended.
If you look at carcomplaints.com, for the more popular outback (same powertrain), oil consumption complaints fall off between 2015 and 2016. I drive a 2015 Legacy, and fit and finish indeed isn't anything to write home about. Solid mechanically so far after 95K, haven't noticed any oil consumption.

Ultimately, if you want an AWD sedan from a non-premium brand, that will fit your teens comfortably in the back, not much selection out there. Maybe a Ford Fusion. If you drop the AWD requirement, lots of choices -can't go wrong with the Accord.
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A "fender bender" caused over $12k in damages? Holy crap!
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Had a 2000 V6 Accord before the Legacy. It was a very nice car. The newer ones are longer than the Legacy. AWD in Edmonton is pretty great.

What’s the infotainment system like in the newer Legacy? Pretty bad in the 2013 but I upgraded the speakers. My wife would love CarPlay but I don’t think that’s an option without swapping out deck.

What’s mileage like on the H6 city driving?
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Philbert wrote: Is there any year that doesn’t have this issue? This was one reason I was bummed the car couldn’t be repaired—it had no issues of any kind and the tranny warranty was extended.
Regarding burning oil issue, check the manufacturer book to see what is acceptable. My 11 impreza with the EJ253 was recommended 5w30 but 5w40 was acceptable as well. When i was on 5w30 it kept burning oil so I asked my local Subaru specialist for his recommendations and he said if you can spare a little more gas consumption to go with the thicker 5w40. I took their advice and 5000kms later after switching it has barely burned any oil. Also make sure you run oem oil filters.

Newer legacy is a good choice, a bit big in my opinion but a lot more spacious and quieter inside than the Impreza of equal year.
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Philbert wrote: What’s the infotainment system like in the newer Legacy? Pretty bad in the 2013 but I upgraded the speakers. My wife would love CarPlay but I don’t think that’s an option without swapping out deck.
I have the Touring, which base sound system with added tweeters. I initially thought it was bad compared to an older loaded Impreza, but after driving other contemporary vehicles, it's quite alright. My biggest peeve is that the sound seems to be tuned for FM radio, and using aux or bluetooth boosts the trebble, making the sound harsher. There's equalizer settings in the interface, but switching when you switch from FM to something else is annoying through the touch interface.

No apple car play / android auto until the mid-gen refresh in 2018.

The biggest advantage of that generation of Legacy vs rivals is Eyesight. Works very well, and you'll likely never get a car without an equivalent system again.
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you can probably get a nice 2015-2016 Corolla for $16000 or less. That particularly generation is quite roomy.
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So I got back from holiday and went and looked at cars today. Accord too expensive, she didn't like Camry, and found Corolla small. She feels comfortable in the Legacy, so the Legacy it is. We have 2 to choose from at the moment. There are none around privately. Prices negotiable:

2015 Legacy with Touring pkg for $18000. 60000km. Lease return from BC. Beautiful car with the barely a blemish inside and out.
2015 Legacy base for $16000. 79000km. LIkely a rental early in its day. Big crack in front bumper that spread to grill that will likely require replacement.

We were given $12000 for our Legacy, and not keen on putting much more in. The base has been on the lot for a while, and I'm not sure whether to have dealer fix it, or take extra savings. Regardless, this car would have the most room for negotiation. I would think a lot. However, the Touring model is sooo much nicer. If they took $17000 I would assume the debt, but with gst and winter tires, etc, even $17500 would be pushing it.
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Philbert wrote: So I got back from holiday and went and looked at cars today. Accord too expensive, she didn't like Camry, and found Corolla small. She feels comfortable in the Legacy, so the Legacy it is. We have 2 to choose from at the moment. There are none around privately. Prices negotiable:

2015 Legacy with Touring pkg for $18000. 60000km. Lease return from BC. Beautiful car with the barely a blemish inside and out.
2015 Legacy base for $16000. 79000km. LIkely a rental early in its day. Big crack in front bumper that spread to grill that will likely require replacement.

We were given $12000 for our Legacy, and not keen on putting much more in. The base has been on the lot for a while, and I'm not sure whether to have dealer fix it, or take extra savings. Regardless, this car would have the most room for negotiation. I would think a lot. However, the Touring model is sooo much nicer. If they took $17000 I would assume the debt, but with gst and winter tires, etc, even $17500 would be pushing it.
Pretty small price difference considering there is damage to the lower priced car. Might as well spend the money for the comfort of the higher spec + lower mileage car.

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