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ciuvak wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 5:18 pm
If you order the T480 with the HDD it can only be replaced with a 2.5" SSD. If you want to replace that with an M.2 NVME drive you will need to buy these two additional parts:
https://lenovo.encompass.com/item/11093 ... sm_Bracket
https://lenovo.encompass.com/item/11093 ... le_M.2_Ssd
You need BOTH the drive caddy and the cable. Unfortunately you can't just buy the caddy for M.2 and reuse the existing old cable.
Here are other options you might consider:
- configure the laptop with the M.2 drive directly from Lenovo
- import a LiteOn T11 m.2 drive from here: http://item.jd.com/15120104772.html and install it in the WWAN slot. This way you can have two drives: keep the HDD for storage and use the m.2 for OS. Interesting thing here the m.2 SSD in the main slot is only x2 pcie speed and the WWAN slot is also 2x, so there is no difference in speed.
Thanks for the information and help! :) I might end up buying it configured with the SSD already, but Lenovo's SSD prices are quite inflated (a 500GB Samsung 960 EVO NVMe is $270 on Amazon, but the 512GB SSD option is $450 on the Lenovo configurator), whereas Lenovo's RAM prices are actually cheaper than what I could get myself.
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dealseaker101 wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 7:12 pm
Thanks for the information and help! :) I might end up buying it configured with the SSD already, but Lenovo's SSD prices are quite inflated (a 500GB Samsung 960 EVO NVMe is $270 on Amazon, but the 512GB SSD option is $450 on the Lenovo configurator), whereas Lenovo's RAM prices are actually cheaper than what I could get myself.
Yeah, it's overpriced to order directly from Lenovo. I wouldn't do it for T480 specifically because the M.2 drive will not even get the full 4x speed.
I personally would decide between these two options:
- order the cheapest model with HDD and replace with a regular 2.5" SSD and just be happy with the SATA 3 speeds
- try to import that LiteOn T11 drive and put in the WWAN slot
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ciuvak wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 7:42 pm
Yeah, it's overpriced to order directly from Lenovo. I wouldn't do it for T480 specifically because the M.2 drive will not even get the full 4x speed.
I personally would decide between these two options:
- order the cheapest model with HDD and replace with a regular 2.5" SSD and just be happy with the SATA 3 speeds
- try to import that LiteOn T11 drive and put in the WWAN slot
Really disappointing the m.2 slots are only 2x. But the reddit thread on this topic says that the WWAN m.2 slot can't be used to boot the system, so it can't be the OS drive unless you put the bootloader on the SATA drive.
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davidm wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 7:48 pm
Really disappointing the m.2 slots are only 2x. But the reddit thread on this topic says that the WWAN m.2 slot can't be used to boot the system, so it can't be the OS drive unless you put the bootloader on the SATA drive.
which thread?
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davidm wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 7:57 pm
This one https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... h=77c430b8
I guess it's more "tbd" though.
Also, if the WWAN m.2 slot is only SATA it's not that exciting.
- that discussion is about T470/T25
- T470 was always able to boot from both SATA and PCIe drives installed in the WWAN slot. The feature was broken for a bit, but Lenovo had a BIOS update and fixed the issue. There are no more problems after the BIOS update according to this: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T ... ue#M118817
- T480 has a new motherboard and the WWAN slot is not accepting SATA drives anymore, only PCIe, like described here: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T ... -p/4005476
The slot is PCIe 3.0 x 2, 16Gb/s. Source: http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF ... ations.pdf
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ciuvak wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 8:15 pm
- that discussion is about T470/T25
- T470 was always able to boot from both SATA and PCIe drives installed in the WWAN slot. The feature was broken for a bit, but Lenovo had a BIOS update and fixed the issue. There are no more problems after the BIOS update according to this: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T ... ue#M118817
- T480 has a new motherboard and the WWAN slot is not accepting SATA drives anymore, only PCIe, like described here: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T ... -p/4005476
The slot is PCIe 3.0 x 2, 16Gb/s. Source: http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF ... ations.pdf
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the nvme is 2 lanes but its still about twice as fast as sata ssd. I think when the discounts are better, ssd is ok on the t480 or one can jump to the 480s to get full 4 lanes.
dealseaker101 wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 7:12 pm
Thanks for the information and help! :) I might end up buying it configured with the SSD already, but Lenovo's SSD prices are quite inflated (a 500GB Samsung 960 EVO NVMe is $270 on Amazon, but the 512GB SSD option is $450 on the Lenovo configurator), whereas Lenovo's RAM prices are actually cheaper than what I could get myself.
If you take into consideration the cost of ssd and the tray and adapter and also the discounts, their pricing is not that bad. 270+80 = 350. Their SSD upgrade cost is $441 for the T480, which @ 20% off is 352.80, sometimes it can be even lower!
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ciuvak wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 7:42 pm
Yeah, it's overpriced to order directly from Lenovo. I wouldn't do it for T480 specifically because the M.2 drive will not even get the full 4x speed.
I personally would decide between these two options:
- order the cheapest model with HDD and replace with a regular 2.5" SSD and just be happy with the SATA 3 speeds
- try to import that LiteOn T11 drive and put in the WWAN slot
What's the difference between sata 3 speeds and the gimped m.2 drive?
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CloudReader wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 1:34 pm
Just ordered a base T480s with 256 SSD (the onsale config currently on the website).

My only concern is the dim FHD screen. Almost sprang for a X1 Carbon with 16GB mem because of that, but that would have costed an extra $500 at current deals.
Can you post a breakdown of price? Thanks.
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vivibaby wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 9:37 pm
Can you post a breakdown of price? Thanks.
Same price as what's posted on the EPP website (left-most configuration). I realized later that if you order off of the regular website and use the 7% off code (link doesn't work posted here, google "Lenovo Canada coupon"), it's actually a tiny bit cheaper. Coupon expires April 1st btw.
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vivibaby wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 9:36 pm
What's the difference between sata 3 speeds and the gimped m.2 drive?
SATA 3 up to 600MB/s and m.2 PCIe at x2 up to 1800MB/s. So definitely faster even at x2, but how much will it make a difference in real life depends on what the user is doing daily. Here is a sample of benchmark for Samsung PM981 in a T480: https://imgur.com/DfSKpIY
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CloudReader wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 9:54 pm
Same price as what's posted on the EPP website (left-most configuration). I realized later that if you order off of the regular website and use the 7% off code (link doesn't work posted here, google "Lenovo Canada coupon"), it's actually a tiny bit cheaper. Coupon expires April 1st btw.
does the WINTERSAVE5 still works on EPP? might be cheaper there then?
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ciuvak wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 11:05 pm
does the WINTERSAVE5 still works on EPP? might be cheaper there then?
WINTERSAVE5 still works......looks like they forgot to deactivate it......better for us though! :)
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ciuvak wrote:
Mar 30th, 2018 11:04 pm
SATA 3 up to 600MB/s and m.2 PCIe at x2 up to 1800MB/s. So definitely faster even at x2, but how much will it make a difference in real life depends on what the user is doing daily. Here is a sample of benchmark for Samsung PM981 in a T480: https://imgur.com/DfSKpIY
Yup, got similar results. Got the 950 Pro PM981 980 Pro (3D TLC) on mine (perhaps explains the discrepancies), and from crystal:
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