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Looking for advice on things to consider when changing lender

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Looking for advice on things to consider when changing lender

Currently I have a mortgage with TD. My renewal if coming up later this year but i want to pay the penalty and move change lender.
I have got an online quote for a company called Uni financials. I have not heard of this lender before. This is my first time renewing so I want some advice what things to look out for when changing lenders for example is this important to go with a bank or big lender?
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PrimeTimeAction wrote: Currently I have a mortgage with TD. My renewal if coming up later this year but i want to pay the penalty and move change lender.
I have got an online quote for a company called Uni financials. I have not heard of this lender before. This is my first time renewing so I want some advice what things to look out for when changing lenders for example is this important to go with a bank or big lender?
First, you need to find out how much your penalty to break it is. If it is too high you might be better to wait until your term expires when you can move it penalty free. As you are with TD your mortgage is probably registered as a collateral mortgage. Most lenders treat this as a refinance and you would have to use a lawyer at an additional cost to move your mortgage to a new lender. There is nothing wrong with going with a monoline, which only deals with mortgages which are registered as single charges, and generally you can get a lower rate. However you need to do your research and ask questions. Some 5-year fixed mortgages for example have low rates but have special conditions such as you cannot break the mortgage during its term unless you sell your home or you can only refinance it during the term with the same lender. The loan-to-value can also affect the rate. Ask questions when you talk to new lenders or mortgage brokers.
Doug Boswell
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dougboswell wrote: First, you need to find out how much your penalty to break it is. If it is too high you might be better to wait until your term expires when you can move it penalty free. As you are with TD your mortgage is probably registered as a collateral mortgage. Most lenders treat this as a refinance and you would have to use a lawyer at an additional cost to move your mortgage to a new lender. There is nothing wrong with going with a monoline, which only deals with mortgages which are registered as single charges, and generally you can get a lower rate. However you need to do your research and ask questions. Some 5-year fixed mortgages for example have low rates but have special conditions such as you cannot break the mortgage during its term unless you sell your home or you can only refinance it during the term with the same lender. The loan-to-value can also affect the rate. Ask questions when you talk to new lenders or mortgage brokers.
Thanks for the reply.
The person who gave me the quote mentioned that I will not need a lawyer as my mortgage is insured with CMIC. He calculated the penalty based on my current variable and said that he can add it to the mortgage. He said that i will not need to talk to TD about breaking the contract early. It will be done automat ally once i go with them. Is this something that is fishy?

Also I do not have any plans to break the renewed mortgage or refence it. Is this all I need to worry?
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dougboswell wrote: First, you need to find out how much your penalty to break it is. If it is too high you might be better to wait until your term expires when you can move it penalty free. As you are with TD your mortgage is probably registered as a collateral mortgage. Most lenders treat this as a refinance and you would have to use a lawyer at an additional cost to move your mortgage to a new lender. There is nothing wrong with going with a monoline, which only deals with mortgages which are registered as single charges, and generally you can get a lower rate. However you need to do your research and ask questions. Some 5-year fixed mortgages for example have low rates but have special conditions such as you cannot break the mortgage during its term unless you sell your home or you can only refinance it during the term with the same lender. The loan-to-value can also affect the rate. Ask questions when you talk to new lenders or mortgage brokers.
Question, perhaps could benefit OP too...does the new lender not treat this as a new loan? So full check of credit and income etc.?

Whereas the existing lender is just a renewal, more of a rubber stamping?

I ask cause if an applicant has had circumstances change since the original mortgage was signed, could be relevant.
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You should still check with TD for the exact pre-payment charge (penalty) plus discharge fee (probably $300 or $500) and add that into your calculations of how much you're saving by switching.

It might be worth meeting with a TD advisor as well, as they might be able to refinance/blend+extend/renew to save you just as much money or more than this other lender.
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PrimeTimeAction wrote: Thanks for the reply.
The person who gave me the quote mentioned that I will not need a lawyer as my mortgage is insured with CMIC. He calculated the penalty based on my current variable and said that he can add it to the mortgage. He said that i will not need to talk to TD about breaking the contract early. It will be done automat ally once i go with them. Is this something that is fishy?

Also I do not have any plans to break the renewed mortgage or refence it. Is this all I need to worry?
Gotta ask, as I am sure that others reading your post are wondering the same thing. When you agreed to your TD mortgage did you hav any plans to break the mortgage then like you intend to do so now?
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skeet50 wrote: Gotta ask, as I am sure that others reading your post are wondering the same thing. When you agreed to your TD mortgage did you hav any plans to break the mortgage then like you intend to do so now?
Sure I understand its a nice to have, but its not a deal breaker for me. But anyway i looked into the of the wording they sent me, two things jumped out
1. Penalty is set as the greater of: 3-month interest or Interest Rate Differential calculations
2. The loan is not assumable but it is portable

Do the above two thing set off any alarms?
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GTA12345 wrote: Question, perhaps could benefit OP too...does the new lender not treat this as a new loan? So full check of credit and income etc.?

Whereas the existing lender is just a renewal, more of a rubber stamping?

I ask cause if an applicant has had circumstances change since the original mortgage was signed, could be relevant.
You are correct. To switch to a new lender a full application will be made made and the stress test will be applied. Some individuals might find it is a higher rate to renew with the current lender but their ratios are too high after applying the stress test. This does not happen when renewing with your current lender.
Doug Boswell
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PrimeTimeAction wrote: Thanks for the reply.
The person who gave me the quote mentioned that I will not need a lawyer as my mortgage is insured with CMIC. He calculated the penalty based on my current variable and said that he can add it to the mortgage. He said that i will not need to talk to TD about breaking the contract early. It will be done automat ally once i go with them. Is this something that is fishy?

Also I do not have any plans to break the renewed mortgage or refence it. Is this all I need to worry?
When it is a straight switch, with a mortgage registered as a single charge, the new lender takes care of the legal fees. If it is CMHC insured it gives you access to the lowest rates that lender has. You cannot change the amount of the mortgage or increase the amortization length. You would be responsible for the TD discharge fee and most lenders allow you to add it into the mortgage .

The problem comes if your mortgage is registered as a collateral mortgage. Most lenders treat this type of switch as a refinance and you will require a lawyer. A couple of lenders have a plan where they will still call it a straight switch but the rate that they offer will be higher than than their going rate.

You need to double check as to how your mortgage is registered and then look at your options. It should be stated on your original disclosure papers that you signed. Hope this helps.
Doug Boswell
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FSRA #MO09002332
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No alarms there. Both are normal and would have been stated in the disclosure papers that you received and then signed. They only thing is the penalty can change from time to time depending on how far you are away from the maturity.
Doug Boswell
intelliMortgage Inc. Brokerage #12326
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