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Looking to rent a 12 seater van (e.g. Ford Transit), is insurance deductible usually that high?? ($2000+) - Ontario

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Looking to rent a 12 seater van (e.g. Ford Transit), is insurance deductible usually that high?? ($2000+) - Ontario

Hi all, I was doing some research for renting a high capacity van from within the GTA to take on a road trip for a few days and noticed while insurance is only $30-40 a day, the deductible is insanely high ($2500).

I was wondering if anyone had rented these type of vans before and could comment or provide any recommendations.

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I usually notice this high amount of deductible from small time rental places which is why I tend to go with Budget, Hertz and the like.
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Lovable wrote: Hi all, I was doing some research for renting a high capacity van from within the GTA to take on a road trip for a few days and noticed while insurance is only $30-40 a day, the deductible is insanely high ($2500).

I was wondering if anyone had rented these type of vans before and could comment or provide any recommendations.

Thank you!
Careful, you may not even have the correct license to rent a 12 passenger van.

Which Vehicle Can G License Drive?
You may drive a van, car, or a small truck with a combination of towed vehicles less than 4600 kg but the total weight must not be more than 11000 kg. The maximum seating capacity of the G class vehicle may not be more than 11 passengers.

As for insurance I can't comment. Just know credit card won't cover pick-ups. Not sure about large vans but doubtful
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tubs wrote: I usually notice this high amount of deductible from small time rental places which is why I tend to go with Budget, Hertz and the like.
Agreed, unfortunately I could not find this size van from the bigger rental companies.
IMHIP2 wrote: Careful, you may not even have the correct license to rent a 12 passenger van.

Which Vehicle Can G License Drive?
You may drive a van, car, or a small truck with a combination of towed vehicles less than 4600 kg but the total weight must not be more than 11000 kg. The maximum seating capacity of the G class vehicle may not be more than 11 passengers.

As for insurance I can't comment. Just know credit card won't cover pick-ups. Not sure about large vans but doubtful
Thank you for noting that, it never crossed my mind we had restrictions for driving as I’ve only rented “normal” vehicles. Will keep this in mind.
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IMHIP2 wrote: Careful, you may not even have the correct license to rent a 12 passenger van.

Which Vehicle Can G License Drive?
You may drive a van, car, or a small truck with a combination of towed vehicles less than 4600 kg but the total weight must not be more than 11000 kg. The maximum seating capacity of the G class vehicle may not be more than 11 passengers.

As for insurance I can't comment. Just know credit card won't cover pick-ups. Not sure about large vans but doubtful
I'd double check the maximum seating capacity unless the rules have changed lately. I wrote to MTO back in 2018 and got a reply stating: "An Ontario class G driver’s licence is adequate for the purposes of operating a 12 seat passenger van/mini-bus if the seating capacity is 12 or less (including the driver) or if it has been reduced to have a seating capacity of 12 or less (including the driver) and if such a vehicle is being used for personal use without compensation and is neither a carpool nor a school purpose vehicle. In addition to the above, the vehicle must not exceed a total gross weight or registered gross weight of 11,000 kilograms and if applicable, any accompanying towed vehicle must not exceed a total gross weight of 4,600 kilograms."

The rental company I was leaning towards, Maxx Car Rental in GTA, also confirmed that a G licence was sufficient.

In the end, my party ended up deciding just to go with two regular vehicles instead. Might be a bit different now because car rental prices for even a small car seem to be very high these days lol.

Don't have a solid answer for the deductible amount. My assumption is maybe because of the higher value of the vehicle. As well, MTO told me that bus plates and validation are required for any vehicle with a seating capacity of 10 or more. Maybe that could make the standard deductible higher as well? Just a guess.
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I was just recently thinking about a 12 passenger van rental as well, and the passenger limit isn't clear. This is what the law says:
(5) A Class F motor vehicle, other than an ambulance or carpool vehicle as defined in section 1 of Ontario Regulation 418/21 (Passenger Transportation Vehicles), with a designed seating capacity for not more than 11 passengers that is used for personal purposes without compensation shall be deemed to be a Class G motor vehicle. O. Reg. 340/94, s. 2 (5); O. Reg. 442/21, s. 1.
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/940340

To me that means 11 occupants, which includes the driver.
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Thank you all.

Yes, the agency told me the same thing that our license would be sufficient.

As to no more than 11 occupants, including the driver - thanks for highlighting that! Fortunately we are only 10 total.
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Note the wording "designed seating capacity". The point I was trying to make is that it depends on the type of vehicle, not how many people are actually in it. But I guess the rental company knows what they're talking about, they deal with it everyday.
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I am curious, has anyone ever driven these vehicles? Are they that much bigger? Will it be hard to park/drive? I worry about this and unfortunately the cost of 2x mid-sized SUVs would exceed the cost of this van by a lot, even with all the extra charges. The deductible has me worried though as I am worried these companies like MAXX will find any reason to take advantage of minor kinks.
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Commercial vehicle or equivalent of. Same size/weight as a U-Haul moving van and commensurate damage potential/repair cost. Just have to drive carefully and be aware of height (e.g., low entrance garages and tree branches, hitting signs/trees when parking on cambered roads), width, length (don't take corners too sharp otherwise you might clip something on the inside) and weight (slower to stop so give yourself lots of room and doesn't handle like a car by far, both more especially when loaded). Are there any extra insurance options offered?

I don't find the size particularly bothersome but I think ahead. Our 2nd vehicle is a 31' RV (basically a truck) that's 11' longer than a long Transit van and at least 2 tons heavier.
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IMHIP2 wrote: Careful, you may not even have the correct license to rent a 12 passenger van.

Which Vehicle Can G License Drive?
You may drive a van, car, or a small truck with a combination of towed vehicles less than 4600 kg but the total weight must not be more than 11000 kg. The maximum seating capacity of the G class vehicle may not be more than 11 passengers.

As for insurance I can't comment. Just know credit card won't cover pick-ups. Not sure about large vans but doubtful
Well, it’s 11 passengers plus driver.
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Lovable wrote: I am curious, has anyone ever driven these vehicles? Are they that much bigger? Will it be hard to park/drive? I worry about this and unfortunately the cost of 2x mid-sized SUVs would exceed the cost of this van by a lot, even with all the extra charges. The deductible has me worried though as I am worried these companies like MAXX will find any reason to take advantage of minor kinks.
ITs aiight.
I had some worries when I did a move by myself with a U-Haul. It was a 10 foot box truck. I thought oh... this aint so bad. Even backed it into the visitor parking spot. Backup camera actually makes it reasonably user friendly.
The gigantic mirrors are also really good for changing lanes.

Of course be careful because its for sure different. Make your turns a bit wider.
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UrbanPoet wrote: I had some worries when I did a move by myself with a U-Haul. It was a 10 foot box truck. I thought oh... this aint so bad. Even backed it into the visitor parking spot. Backup camera actually makes it reasonably user friendly.
Must be one of the U.S.-mandated safety features now in effect (along with electronic throttle/traction control and ABS brakes among other things). Certainly wasn't available last time I rented a truck or van (3-4 years ago).

I forgot to mention in my previous post that backing up is a potential for damage, especially into overhangs and the like. OP should have at least one if not two spotters out whenever reversing or even parking.
The gigantic mirrors are also really good for changing lanes.
True, but not good for reversing on U-Hual moving cube/box vans (and Class C and some Class B RVs because the cube on the back partially blocks rear view. Should not be an issue on the Transit van though.
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derass wrote: I was just recently thinking about a 12 passenger van rental as well, and the passenger limit isn't clear. This is what the law says:



https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/940340

To me that means 11 occupants, which includes the driver.
No it doesn't count the driver. There are other instances in the statute that reference "driver and passenger(s)" so clearly passengers does not mean or imply the driver as well.
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Be cognizant if you’re in an accident in these vehicles they’re is high chance of injury. $2500 deductible is the least of your worries if you’re in an accident where people get hurt. Heaven forbid life changing injuries or injuries that will prevent working for the remainder of their life. If you are driving and have a large asset like a house/condo expect to be litigated personally. Once the lawyers get their hands on these type of cases friends can quickly become people you can’t talk to anymore (under advice of your council). If the injuries are bad it may be their family doing this too.

Safety and liability aside While it may seem like a fun cheaper idea to jam 12 people into a Van instead of two or three vehicles you need to think. What if one person is a bit moody or arguing with another or not feeling well. Doesn’t take much to bring the energy and mood of a vehicle down. Someone needs more pee breaks than others and becomes that “guy”. Then they feel bad when asking again just takes one snarky remark.

With two or three minivans you can establish meet up rest spots. Have some two way radios. People can switch between vehicles. Different music different vans. What if someone wants quiet the other wants x music?

That said my friends did a 12 passenger from nyc to Florida. And they said next time they’d do two vehicles. Especially the ride home.

These buses with “experienced” drivers often get into horrific accidents.

Not sure what type or length of trip your planning but renting a small proper bus with a driver might be an option. I guess depend on hotel costs for bud drivers bus with the lack of tourists you might find companies that want to deal.

I’ve rented busses before but just day trips.

Also consider luggage. Not sure if rentals come with roof racks and ladders to get up there. Secure your cargo properly if so
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GangStarr wrote: Be cognizant if you’re in an accident in these vehicles they’re is high chance of injury. $2500 deductible is the least of your worries if you’re in an accident where people get hurt. Heaven forbid life changing injuries or injuries that will prevent working for the remainder of their life. If you are driving and have a large asset like a house/condo expect to be litigated personally. Once the lawyers get their hands on these type of cases friends can quickly become people you can’t talk to anymore (under advice of your council). If the injuries are bad it may be their family doing this too.

Safety and liability aside While it may seem like a fun cheaper idea to jam 12 people into a Van instead of two or three vehicles you need to think. What if one person is a bit moody or arguing with another or not feeling well. Doesn’t take much to bring the energy and mood of a vehicle down. Someone needs more pee breaks than others and becomes that “guy”. Then they feel bad when asking again just takes one snarky remark.

With two or three minivans you can establish meet up rest spots. Have some two way radios. People can switch between vehicles. Different music different vans. What if someone wants quiet the other wants x music?

That said my friends did a 12 passenger from nyc to Florida. And they said next time they’d do two vehicles. Especially the ride home.

These buses with “experienced” drivers often get into horrific accidents.

Not sure what type or length of trip your planning but renting a small proper bus with a driver might be an option. I guess depend on hotel costs for bud drivers bus with the lack of tourists you might find companies that want to deal.

I’ve rented busses before but just day trips.

Also consider luggage. Not sure if rentals come with roof racks and ladders to get up there. Secure your cargo properly if so
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It does have a decent sized trunk. It depends on the type of road trip they’re having. But it looks like it can just barely handle 12 carry on luggages and a large cooler for drinks.
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It does have a decent sized trunk. It depends on the type of road trip they’re having. But it looks like it can just barely handle 12 carry on luggages and a large cooler for drinks.
I’ve rode in packed collectivos in South America and that’s just part of life moving around South America. . If someone asked me to join in on this thing for a road trip in Canada/usa only way I’d consider going is if I had front seat or drove. Even then I bet you someone’s going to be cramped and upset about it within. hours. Unless this is a road trip to church or to pick cucumbers.

12 adults in there. Not going to be comfortable especially with 12 carry on plugging everything up.

Let us know how it goes if you do rent OP if you do go this route maybe consider 8-10 people. Or start charging per seat for reservation with a premium seat being aisle and window. Take a page from the airlines, this is rfd after all
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