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[Lowe's] Firman Gas-Powered 4,450 Watt Portable Generator $299.50

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[Lowe's] Firman Gas-Powered 4,450 Watt Portable Generator $299.50

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great for construction where noise doesn't matter.
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T3rry wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 10:09 am
great for construction where noise doesn't matter.
Description says "Our Whisper Series Muffler keeps the P03501 running at a quiet 67 decibels".

Sounds like a very reasonable price for emergency use. But then again I am not sure how well modern electronics and new furnaces would work with this type of generator.
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lazybummer wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 10:20 am
Description says "Our Whisper Series Muffler keeps the P03501 running at a quiet 67 decibels".

Sounds like a very reasonable price for emergency use. But then again I am not sure how well modern electronics and new furnaces would work with this type of generator.

skip to 12:50, 67db is far from reasonable for camping.

approx every 3db the sound doubles, this thing is 9db louder than the 3300 inverter gen... thats 3x louder.
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T3rry wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 10:43 am

approx every 3db the sound doubles, this thing is 9db louder than the 3300 inverter gen... thats 3x louder.
Wouldn't a 9 db increase correspond to an 8-fold increase in sound intensity?
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Not to be pedantic, but while it is true that a 3dB increase does double the sound pressure power, a 10dB increase is interpreted by humans as twice the "loudness". So this thing is about 2x as loud as an inverter gen.

That being said, I have one of these and there is no way I would use it for camping; it's not quiet enough. I'd love to know from what distance they get the 67dB measurement because standing a few feet away it sounds much louder than 70dB.
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hover62 wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 1:09 pm
Wouldn't a 9 db increase correspond to an 8-fold increase in sound intensity?
*shrug* i dont know the technical details, i just know its a shit ton louder.
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Purevector wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 1:14 pm
Not to be pedantic, but while it is true that a 3dB increase does double the sound pressure power, a 10dB increase is interpreted by humans as twice the "loudness". So this thing is about 2x as loud as an inverter gen.

That being said, I have one of these and there is no way I would use it for camping; it's not quiet enough. I'd love to know from what distance they get the 67dB measurement because standing a few feet away it sounds much louder than 70dB.
Are there even *any* generator that would be considered "quiet enough" for camping in your opinion? Even the super quiet (and expensive) Honda 50db one seems rather annoying for camping.
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I need a generator for possible power failure at home

To run a fridge and a submersible sump pump

But the noise complain bugs me
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TomLafinsky wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 2:52 pm
Get a Champion from Costco when it goes on sale. You should look at the label inside your fridge and on the sump pump in order to find out the exact watts. Then you multiply this amount by 3 and then you will know the total max amps your gen must be able to supply.

For most fridges a 2000W might do it. I don't know about the amps requirement of your sump pump.

The Champion 2000W inverter is a good and quiet enough gen to use with neighbors close by.

Come back with those numbers (watts for each) and we'll take it from there.


Why do you wanna know the amp if the fridge works with W and the generator also calculates in W?
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Cucumference wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 2:09 pm
Are there even *any* generator that would be considered "quiet enough" for camping in your opinion? Even the super quiet (and expensive) Honda 50db one seems rather annoying for camping.
If you are camping, what is the generator for?
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TomLafinsky wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 4:02 pm
Look at the label for both and come back here with those two numbers. It is possible that it is indicated in AMPS instead of WATTS. It doesn't matter. Just come back here with those two numbers in either AMPS or WATTS and we'll take it from there. Ok?
6.5 amps for the fridge

Sump pump I don’t know as it’s an old one and the old owner doesn’t have the book
buts it’s a master craft one
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ratatapa wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 4:46 pm
6.5 amps for the fridge

Sump pump I don’t know as it’s an old one and the old owner doesn’t have the book
buts it’s a master craft one
fridge is 800 watts, pump is likely 800-1000 but could be up to 3000 starting w... the 3300 i linked should do the trick.
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TomLafinsky wrote:
Apr 11th, 2019 5:18 pm
Thanks. 6.5 X 120 = 780 watts. 780 X3 = 2340. So a Champion 2000W inverter would be able to start/run your fridge. Let's say your sump pump is 1000 watts, so your gen would need to be able to provide a good max of 3,000 Watts.

In that case your best bet would be a Champion inverter like this one. The advantages of an inverter over a traditional gen is that a) it provides clean power b) it will save you a bundle on gasoline and c) it is QUIET!!! I have this exact model and bought it when Costco had reduced the price in the Fall to the $600.

The gen mentioned in OP's post is cheap because it drinks gas like a drunken sailor, it is F... noisy and it produces electricity that is very dirty. If you can live with that buy the gen mentioned in this thread. Otherwise if you want a very nice gen capable of powering both the fridge and sump pump at the same time then get the Champion.
Would this one be better ?

https://www.costco.ca/Champion-–-Généra ... 54985.html

Or is it too noisy

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