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LTO 7 Backup solutions

Any know where to rent LTO external drives for backup? or Any place that will do backups of hard drives onto LTO tapes?
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How much data do you have? 30 terabytes?

Not sure what you plan to do with a tape backup if you don’t have the drive to restore it.
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You might be lucky in just buying a LTO 3 backup drive on eBay reasonably
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Why even bother with the hassle? A LTO 3 backup drive is a huge hassle to set up. The amount of tapes is also a hassle to catalogue. Also, each tape is only around 800 GB and it is slow as hell to fill up, plus costly ($20 is probably the lowest you will get) with 3TB drive approaching $100. Why even bother with tape?
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Isn't tape the best solution for archive storage. Buying a hard drive for archive storage is that still a solution for 10-15years?
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ID01 wrote:
May 26th, 2018 6:24 pm
Why even bother with the hassle? A LTO 3 backup drive is a huge hassle to set up. The amount of tapes is also a hassle to catalogue. Also, each tape is only around 800 GB and it is slow as hell to fill up, plus costly ($20 is probably the lowest you will get) with 3TB drive approaching $100. Why even bother with tape?
Doesnt tape stand the test of time in terms of longevity when it comes to backing up precious memories?
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tripleflip wrote:
May 31st, 2018 12:29 am
Doesnt tape stand the test of time in terms of longevity when it comes to backing up precious memories?
Tape will be somewhat better than consumer drives, but you might have similar reliability with very high quality Blu-Ray disks and a quality Blu-Ray drive.
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tripleflip wrote:
May 31st, 2018 12:29 am
Doesnt tape stand the test of time in terms of longevity when it comes to backing up precious memories?
The tape itself. Sure. The tape drive though. Not really.
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It's 2018 and you are still looking tape as a backup solution....

Unless you have really important info that you need a immediate copy right by yourself. Just use a cloud backup.

Cloud backup <-> dedicated server <-> local
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sexyj wrote:
May 31st, 2018 10:42 am
It's 2018 and you are still looking tape as a backup solution....

Unless you have really important info that you need a immediate copy right by yourself. Just use a cloud backup.

Cloud backup <-> dedicated server <-> local
Would you mind explaining the cloud backup solution more? I've tried cloud backup before but when the company decides to change their policy or is sold you have to then lose all your data.
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That's why you have redundant copy of your backup available. There's no one single solution that is good.

If you have a NAS or file server, then look into cloud solution like backblaze or crashplan. Then you do a sync between your server and the provider.

Realistically, how much of your data is actually important? I think you actually need to look into the data itself and consider.
tripleflip wrote:
May 31st, 2018 5:08 pm
Would you mind explaining the cloud backup solution more? I've tried cloud backup before but when the company decides to change their policy or is sold you have to then lose all your data.
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OP, are you following a 3-2-1 backup policy? This is the best/safest way to approach backups. You can follow this with or without tapes, and is a process that is more important than the media of your backups.

http://www.itprotoday.com/cloud-data-ce ... akes-sense

Have 3 copies of your data, across 2 different mediums, with 1 offsite. So you could implement this by having your live data (1), a local hard drive backup (2) that you sync nightly, and a cloud backup (3), which is sync'd to the same schedule as your local backup. That gives you 3 copies (master + 2 backups), across 2 different mediums (hard drives + cloud) with 1 offsite (cloud).

You could substitute tapes stored at another physical location (friend's house, safety deposit box) for cloud.
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trane0 wrote:
Jun 1st, 2018 11:01 am
OP, are you following a 3-2-1 backup policy? This is the best/safest way to approach backups. You can follow this with or without tapes, and is a process that is more important than the media of your backups.

http://www.itprotoday.com/cloud-data-ce ... akes-sense

Have 3 copies of your data, across 2 different mediums, with 1 offsite. So you could implement this by having your live data (1), a local hard drive backup (2) that you sync nightly, and a cloud backup (3), which is sync'd to the same schedule as your local backup. That gives you 3 copies (master + 2 backups), across 2 different mediums (hard drives + cloud) with 1 offsite (cloud).

You could substitute tapes stored at another physical location (friend's house, safety deposit box) for cloud.
This 100%. This is also exactly how large companies do their backup.

For cloud storage, you can use OneDrive or Google Drive if you are worried about the companies still being there to host the data. Is MS or Google go away then there will prob be much bigger things in the world to worry about.
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trane0 wrote:
Jun 1st, 2018 11:01 am
OP, are you following a 3-2-1 backup policy? This is the best/safest way to approach backups. You can follow this with or without tapes, and is a process that is more important than the media of your backups.

http://www.itprotoday.com/cloud-data-ce ... akes-sense

Have 3 copies of your data, across 2 different mediums, with 1 offsite. So you could implement this by having your live data (1), a local hard drive backup (2) that you sync nightly, and a cloud backup (3), which is sync'd to the same schedule as your local backup. That gives you 3 copies (master + 2 backups), across 2 different mediums (hard drives + cloud) with 1 offsite (cloud).

You could substitute tapes stored at another physical location (friend's house, safety deposit box) for cloud.
Ya tapes would be for a cloud a substitute. How would you prepare against corrupted files being copied over replacing the working copies on your backups when you sync ?
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tripleflip wrote:
Jun 2nd, 2018 1:13 pm
Ya tapes would be for a cloud a substitute. How would you prepare against corrupted files being copied over replacing the working copies on your backups when you sync ?
I feel like you completely misunderstood how backup works based on what you are asking. Do you even know what you are trying to backup?

"Corruption" isn't something that simply happens. There are different types of corruption. First and foremost being the file was initially read when it is not ready to be read. Which means either it is incompletely written into the source, or it is still being accessed and in the middle of a modification which make it not suitable for reading. That type of corruption should be handled on the application side. An application should be locking the file properly, the backup script should understand the locking process and wait long enough before the source is ready to be read.

Media corruption is an entirely different thing. That type of corruption is handled on the hardware side. Generally resolved by having more than one copy. And detection is handled on the software or hardware side. For most media corruption, it is up to the application to find out what is corrupted and choose the appropriate action to handle the corruption.

Depends on your specific application, the former might be more of a problem than later. So to answer that question. We will need to know exactly what it is that you are backing up. How you are backing up, and what you mean by 'sync'ing. Though, when you use the word 'sync'. You imply that it is being read directly from the source. Which means your process is not suitable for tape. As tape generally have the file read from the source into a temporary location (Due to the speed of the tape, it will take a long time. It can't keep the file locked for backup all these time without making the application inaccessible, for example) and therefore not really suitable for your choice whatsoever.

Based on your answer so far. I strongly recommend you to stay out of tape back up. At all cost. Tape backup is actually exceedingly complicated and not suitable for consumer use. You should stick to commonly available software like the one that comes with cloud storage. They will simplify the backup for you and make it easy. Using Tape backup incorrectly is dangerous to your data. Don't do it.

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