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[Merged] laser eye surgery

Poll: Mid twenties a good age to get it done?

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Aug 17, 2008
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catchjosephnow wrote: Guess what laser system is used at London Vision Clinic -which is one of the most reputable laser centres in the world...you guessed it... SMILE

If you are in Asia or Europe (like above) and you are still doing LASIK they laugh at you... Bochner has their own agenda and so does everyone else..
The whole "SMILE" is new is outdated .. it's like telling people that Tesla is too 'new' and 'unproven'...

Do your research.

PS:.I've had 4 family members who have had SMILE all with great results.. this was after I had LASIK/PRK many years ago..
Most people will get fine results with any of the options. And yes do your own research.

I would just point out the following. "London Vision Clinic" is a private clinic, whose founder developed the SMILE system. So of course they will be pro-SMILE.

Moorfields Eye Hospital is the oldest and largest center for ophthalmic treatment, teaching and research in Europe. That's more renowned than a private clinic. Moorfields tried SMILE for one year and dropped it because they concluded that outcomes were not better than LASIK, and in worst case scenarios, they were worse than Lasik. SMILE has additional risks and most neutral doctors are saying that the outcomes are NOT better with SMILE than LASIK.

Here's a good debate between a pro-SMILE surgeon (who gets research grants from Zeiss -- the maker of SMILE equipment) versus a surgeon who doesn't think SMILE is better (from renowned Cleveland Clinic''s Cole Eye Institute).
https://www.reviewofophthalmology.com/a ... e-vs-lasik

So yes, do your own research and don't just believe what the clinic is telling you. The clinics that have SMILE equipment will certainly promote the advantages of SMILE. But most leading experts think SMILE does not produce better outcomes than LASIK.
Newbie
Nov 19, 2018
70 posts
40 upvotes
Surrey, BC
First off, thanks everyone for all their input into this thread. What's the difference between standard PRK/Custom PRK and the SmartSurface PRK at PLEC? Still a bit uncertain after reading.

Looking at reviews and people's experience it seems PLEC is the best way to go, but i want to know what exactly makes it stand out from doing it at LasikMD, or LondonEye or other.

Background: I am leaning towards choosing PRK over LASIK because i practise MMA now. Some say that impact would have to be quite significant to disturb the flap from LASIK, but PRK seems the safest despite the long recovery time.

Any recent experiences of PRK at PLEC or London Eye?

All input appreciated!

Edit: Well that was fast. Got quoted by LASIK MD and PLEC. Roughly $3100 for both eyes, but PLEC has extra post op fees. After more research and going through pages ~150-200 here again, I have a greater peace of mind with PLEC and I'm now booked with them for mid-November! Excited at first, now nervous and praying I'm part of the 99% that have no issues and no long term dry eye / halo.

They asked me how i heard about them. My response: Redflagdeals. Goodjob guys.
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Nov 10, 2004
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phozys wrote:
Edit: Well that was fast. Got quoted by LASIK MD and PLEC. Roughly $3100 for both eyes, but PLEC has extra post op fees. After more research and going through pages ~150-200 here again, I have a greater peace of mind with PLEC and I'm now booked with them for mid-November! Excited at first, now nervous and praying I'm part of the 99% that have no issues and no long term dry eye / halo.

They asked me how i heard about them. My response: Redflagdeals. Goodjob guys.
Hey. All the best with the surgery! What's the extra post op fees you post? I'm scheduled in for Dec!
Newbie
Nov 19, 2018
70 posts
40 upvotes
Surrey, BC
Spyder187 wrote: Hey. All the best with the surgery! What's the extra post op fees you post? I'm scheduled in for Dec!
Co-management fees that are required for the routine followups - about $100/followup for my optometrist.

Currently on a mix of Vit B, C, D and 1800mg in Omega 3 per day. Specific dosage: 1200mcg b12, 1000mg C, 1000IU D, 2 x 600 EPA 300 DHA Omega 3 pills, all Costco.

With the omegas, the instructions say to take 4000mg of Omega 3 fish oil - but different brands of fish oil have different concentrations of Omega 3s (EPA/DHA) - a 1000mg pill could be 180 EPA and 120 DHA, with the remainder 700mg as traces of omega 6/9s etc. Wish they were a little more clear.

Will clean up diet a week or so before. Overkill? Possibly, but my lifestyle is pretty healthy for the most part already so its easy. Took it from a post on reddit
Newbie
Nov 2, 2020
1 posts
Hello everyone!

Could you please recommend a good clinic for laser eye surgery in Canada?
I am planning to choose ReLEx SMILE. It looks like that most of the recommendations are refer to Clearview and Herzig.
Just interested in your opinions.
Member
Feb 8, 2010
293 posts
48 upvotes
I thought this stuff should get cheaper over time?

Herzig $2700/eye for Lasik? seems steep. More than TLC when i went for a consult a few years ago.
Newbie
Jan 6, 2011
28 posts
5 upvotes
Montreal
I'm thinking about doing ReLEx SMILE at Clinique Invisia at Montréal.

Didn't find many reviews besides comments on google review or RateMds.

Anyone has experiences with this clinic ?
Banned
Dec 7, 2020
3 posts
Hi, my name is Alex, and I'm living in Boston. I have a younger brother, his name is Enrique and he uses specs from his school time onwards. Currently, he is doing a master's in engineering. Now the specs are making horrendous in his activities, especially in his research activities. So we consulted an eye expert, and he advised Lasik eye surgery. So his vision will be clear without the specs. So we decided to do that treatment. But we are unaware of these treatment procedures. What are the treatment procedures? Please share your opinion, which will be helpful.
Deal Addict
Apr 27, 2005
2142 posts
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Montreal
Rokubi wrote: I'm thinking about doing ReLEx SMILE at Clinique Invisia at Montréal.

Didn't find many reviews besides comments on google review or RateMds.

Anyone has experiences with this clinic ?
The most advanced treatment is Contoura vision or Idesign. Smile is less invasive but Invisia doesn't really have the latest techniques or lasers. I suggest you try Herzig in Ottawa, they just opened and have two of the newest lasers and techniques, including Idesign and the Mel 90.
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Apr 27, 2005
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Are there any Contoura vision clinics in Montreal?
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Newbie
Jul 18, 2019
3 posts
Is Contoura Vision a PRK procedure? I tried Google but can't find a clear answer. If it is, is it better than smartsurface PRK?
Deal Addict
Aug 17, 2008
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Contoura is a brand of Topography guided lasers machines used for LASIK. Contoura is made by Alcon.

The latest generation of topography guided LASIK treatments is why I would not go for SMILE (which is one of the points made in the debate I linked at top of page 169). SMILE costs more, doesn't produce better outcomes, and has slightly higher risk of worse vision. Maybe one day, SMILE will improve. But at present, the logical options to me are PRK or LASIK.
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Apr 27, 2005
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Montreal
multimut wrote: Contoura is a brand of Topography guided lasers machines used for LASIK. Contoura is made by Alcon.

The latest generation of topography guided LASIK treatments is why I would not go for SMILE (which is one of the points made in the debate I linked at top of page 169). SMILE costs more, doesn't produce better outcomes, and has slightly higher risk of worse vision. Maybe one day, SMILE will improve. But at present, the logical options to me are PRK or LASIK.
It all depends on your goal. Smile can give you "good" results, but the 1990's gold standard of 20/20 is completely antiquated. Why would you settle for 20/20 if you could get 20/10 or 20/8? And why wouldn't everyone ask for CXL combined with their Lasik treatment? It has no side effects and it is known to reduce regression. In Europe the combination is patented and called Lasik Xtra. Treatment here is antiquated compared to Europe.

I had -8 in both eyes and I got custom Lasik in India with the Wave light Allegretto 400. A month later I had 20/12 vision.

You choose your clinic not by the doctor but by whoever has the latest technologies. The doctors do nothing aside from rule out eligibility. They just press the Go button on the laser. The more advanced the laser, the better result you'll get.
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Jr. Member
Apr 10, 2012
121 posts
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NEPEAN
Update after 2.5 years - Ottawa Eye Institute (PRK option for -8 and -9 respectively). Due to Covid, I haven't come back for a check up yet.

I still have eye dryness issue - pain the morning if I don't use eye drop or gel at night. It's a bit worst in the winter. I use the Hylo eye drops several times during the day.

Latest check: left eye: -3.0 (dominant eye) and right eye: -0.25.

Look like my left eye is getting worst. I'm not sure if this is really bad or perhaps this will be similar to mono vision? I'm getting older in my early 40.
hXcellent wrote: Got it done at Ottawa Eye Institute 10 months ago - PRK option. I was -8 and -9. The result was good. There's still some dryness but hopefully will go away with time.

One note is that after surgery they gave normal preservative eye drops. if you are careful, you could ask the doctor and buy preservative free drops yourself since you need to use it very often.

The recovery was very very frustrating for PRK. It takes a few weeks for the eyes to be less blurry and normal again. I didn't have much pain though.
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Dec 8, 2006
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hXcellent wrote: Update after 2.5 years - Ottawa Eye Institute (PRK option for -8 and -9 respectively). Due to Covid, I haven't come back for a check up yet.

I still have eye dryness issue - pain the morning if I don't use eye drop or gel at night. It's a bit worst in the winter. I use the Hylo eye drops several times during the day.

Latest check: left eye: -3.0 (dominant eye) and right eye: -0.25.

Look like my left eye is getting worst. I'm not sure if this is really bad or perhaps this will be similar to mono vision? I'm getting older in my early 40.
Would you have done it again?

I'm -8.5 in both eyes used to wear contacts all the time but due to covid and working remote can't tell the last time I did.
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Apr 10, 2012
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It's nice not to wear glasses. I will probably call tomorrow and have a chat with the Eye Institute.
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May 5, 2016
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I have a fairly mild prescription(-1.75 both eyes) and no astigmatism and have decided to get lasik, assuming i'm eligible. I'm in my early 30's now and have worn glasses since my late teens, and i'm just sick of them. I'm also spending a fair amount on glasses every year, prescription sunglasses especially are available are fairly expensive and for sporting activities, i haven't even been able to find decently priced options for sports sunglasses

I'm in the Scarborough area, I'm looking at LASIK MD, Bochner, Herzig and TLC. Is there anyone else i should be considering? I want to get it done as soon as possible so i can enjoy the summer without having to wear glasses.
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Apr 16, 2008
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dairymandip wrote: Would you have done it again?

I'm -8.5 in both eyes used to wear contacts all the time but due to covid and working remote can't tell the last time I did.
I had iLASIK done at the eye institute about 18 mths ago. After 20+ years of contact wearing, my eyes started to develop a sensitivity to them and I was told I could no longer wear contacts. Wish I did laser surgery years ago. The first few days were rough, then the next month or so was annoying. Your vision is constantly changing and light sensitivity but overall ok. Had dry eyes for a few months, but was fine after. Everything has been good for the last year. Was a -4.75 in both eyes before surgery, now better than 20/20.

Recommend the eye institute for anyone in Ottawa.
Member
Sep 8, 2004
255 posts
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Toronto
azorahai wrote: I'm in the Scarborough area, I'm looking at LASIK MD, Bochner, Herzig and TLC. Is there anyone else i should be considering? I want to get it done as soon as possible so i can enjoy the summer without having to wear glasses.
Based on whom you've mentioned so far, since you're in Scarborough Bochner has an office there by Lawrence and Brimley with its own entrance and the surgeon is considered among the top in Canada so that would probably be your best bet. LASIK MD is like going to a hair salon with so many surgeons spread out and depending on who's renting the chair that day (that's literally how they also operate) your experience will vary. Herzig is located in a mall downtown so you'll have to commute all the way downtown and back and hope that the mall he's in is operating best practices during a pandemic, and TLC just went through bankruptcy restructuring and as a result staff left and those left behind, well you can imagine the moral at their office plus what monies are left in the pot for warranty work/touch-ups.

So, who would or have you decided upon?

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