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Minor Accident, car might get written off [manitoba],

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Minor Accident, car might get written off [manitoba],

Hi there.

Last June, I helped my relative (international student) purchase his first car in Ontario, and he had it transferred over to Manitoba as he moved there.

It's a 2005 Lexus ES he bought for $4500 in great condition.

Last week he got into a minor accident with someone (relative is deemed 100% not at fault).
He got a photo of the other persons drivers license and car registration.

The guy decides to block and ghost my relative.

In Manitoba, they only have one insurance called "Manitoba Public Insurance", the shop the insurance referred my relative to said it will be 6K (pic attached) and that insurance will likely write off the car.

This kind of repair in Toronto would be maybe $1500-2K.

Is it possible to "cancel" the insurance claim and just repair it privately? He does not want to write off the car as it's hard to find a mechanically excellent condition car for under 5K as his budget is tight.

He'd rather pay $1500 to get it repaired himself.

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No idea what the rules are in Manitoba but where did you get the Toronto price from? It will be significantly more than what you quoted.
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I believe you have the option to buy it back after it’s written off. Check with MPI.
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Don't go through insurance just repair it privately and have some one take the dent out.
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if it's just cosmetic it almost looks like it could be fixed through PDR. There will still be scratches that need to be dealt with, but it doesn't look too bad.

If there is mechanical/suspension damage etc, it could add up quickly. That might be where the $6K figure came from.

I would see if you could buy the car back from insurance, and try to get a 2nd opinion from a trusted mechanic to see if there is any suspension damage.
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Have no personal experience with MPI claims process personally, but some over in Reddit claim the adjuster might give you the option of canceling the claim as long as the car is considered roadworthy. Would be interesting to know what is in that body shop estimate in terms of what repairs are required. Did your relative get a copy of the estimate by any chance?
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I'm in BC with public insurance. When my truck got hit while parked and due to parts not being available it was deemed unrepairable, ICBC paid me the repair amount ($4,000) and allowed me to keep the truck. Your relative is probably entitled to similar.
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Just don't go through with the claim. Don't bother to repair that damage. Drive it as is. There is no "cancelling" the claim/estimate as far as I know. Just because there's a claim made doesn't mean you have to go through with it. Have him call his adjuster at MPI and they will guide him to what needs or can be be done. They can also tell him what $$ they'd give him IF they write it off. He may be surprised at the value if it is in as nice condition as you say.

If he goes through having it repaired on his own so be it. There's no way he'll get a proper/quality repair done on that for $1500. Buy a can of spray paint and cover up the exposed metal. From the pictures I'd say that whole quarter panel needs replacement and that's why the estimate is that high. There's even cracks in the paint ahead of the fuel door. That's not a "minor" hit.

Also - MPI will NOT refer anyone to a specific bodyshop. There are many bodyshops that will do the estimates for MPI but they will not send anyone directly to one or another shop.
People will believe what they want to believe whether fact or fiction.
'tis most frustrating when they aren't open to see and/or learn which is which.
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The options are:

First, negotiate the highest possible settlement from the insurance company and put the settlement money towards another vehicle. Your relative will still be out of pocket but (maybe) into something newer.

Second, negotiate the highest possible settlement from the insurance company, buy the vehicle from the insurance company at its salvage value, and pay for the repairs. The downside of this is that the vehicle will likely be branded and its resale value will be awful. Plus, the insurance company will likely not offer collision coverage going forward. Still, your relative could get (say) $5,000 for the vehicle, buy it back for $1,500 and then spend $6,000 on repairs - so, down $2500 BUT the value of the car will probably be cut in half.

Third, don't go through insurance, fork out the $6k and get a lawyer to send a letter to the other driver asking for compensation. Good luck with that route. All we know is that your relative will be out of pocket $6k with this option.
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CaptSmethwick wrote: The options are:

First, negotiate the highest possible settlement from the insurance company and put the settlement money towards another vehicle. Your relative will still be out of pocket but (maybe) into something newer.

Second, negotiate the highest possible settlement from the insurance company, buy the vehicle from the insurance company at its salvage value, and pay for the repairs. The downside of this is that the vehicle will likely be branded and its resale value will be awful. Plus, the insurance company will likely not offer collision coverage going forward. Still, your relative could get (say) $5,000 for the vehicle, buy it back for $1,500 and then spend $6,000 on repairs - so, down $2500 BUT the value of the car will probably be cut in half.

Third, don't go through insurance, fork out the $6k and get a lawyer to send a letter to the other driver asking for compensation. Good luck with that route. All we know is that your relative will be out of pocket $6k with this option.
Manitoba Public Insurance is a no fault insurance. You won't be able to sue/request the money from the other driver. You can only go after them for fault which would remove the deductible you have to pay. If the other drivers insurance is from out of province then you may be able to do something along those lines.
MPI will still have full coverage even if they write off the car. Only thing it affects here would be the value of the car in any future accidents or resale.
People will believe what they want to believe whether fact or fiction.
'tis most frustrating when they aren't open to see and/or learn which is which.
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BengaliPrince wrote: Hi there.

Last June, I helped my relative (international student) purchase his first car in Ontario, and he had it transferred over to Manitoba as he moved there.

It's a 2005 Lexus ES he bought for $4500 in great condition.

Last week he got into a minor accident with someone (relative is deemed 100% not at fault).
He got a photo of the other persons drivers license and car registration.

The guy decides to block and ghost my relative.

In Manitoba, they only have one insurance called "Manitoba Public Insurance", the shop the insurance referred my relative to said it will be 6K (pic attached) and that insurance will likely write off the car.

This kind of repair in Toronto would be maybe $1500-2K.

Is it possible to "cancel" the insurance claim and just repair it privately? He does not want to write off the car as it's hard to find a mechanically excellent condition car for under 5K as his budget is tight.

He'd rather pay $1500 to get it repaired himself.

Attached are pics
Highly doubt you're getting that fixed from any legitimate shop in Toronto for 2k.
That rear quarter has a crease in it, and it cannot just be banged out.
That repair quote is likely for a replacement of the rear quarter, and then finishing costs.
That car is not worth 6k, and will no doubt be written off by MPI.
Until he signs a deal with MPI, he is not obligated to follow through with anything, and can choose to repair it himself.
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blexann wrote: No idea what the rules are in Manitoba but where did you get the Toronto price from? It will be significantly more than what you quoted.
+1 no way 2k repair.
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kkkat wrote: I believe you have the option to buy it back after it’s written off. Check with MPI.
Things are different now.
You can go to auction and purchase the car back, but MPI doesn't do their own auctions anymore.
They subcontracted it out to another company, who you have to register with and pay a yearly fee in order to bid on cars now.
It made the idea of buying back your old car, totally not worth it.
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CaptSmethwick wrote:
Third, don't go through insurance, fork out the $6k and get a lawyer to send a letter to the other driver asking for compensation. Good luck with that route. All we know is that your relative will be out of pocket $6k with this option.
This is not an option at all.
The person at fault, his only obligation is to report the accident to MPI.
If the OP's relative decides not to go through insurance, he can't just go ahead and sue the other person, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Maybe you can do that in Ontario or other provinces, but not here.
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warpdwhim wrote: Just don't go through with the claim. Don't bother to repair that damage. Drive it as is. There is no "cancelling" the claim/estimate as far as I know. Just because there's a claim made doesn't mean you have to go through with it. Have him call his adjuster at MPI and they will guide him to what needs or can be be done. They can also tell him what $$ they'd give him IF they write it off. He may be surprised at the value if it is in as nice condition as you say.

If he goes through having it repaired on his own so be it. There's no way he'll get a proper/quality repair done on that for $1500. Buy a can of spray paint and cover up the exposed metal. From the pictures I'd say that whole quarter panel needs replacement and that's why the estimate is that high. There's even cracks in the paint ahead of the fuel door. That's not a "minor" hit.

Also - MPI will NOT refer anyone to a specific bodyshop. There are many bodyshops that will do the estimates for MPI but they will not send anyone directly to one or another shop.
I concur with everything stated here
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Thank you all for your input, I told it all to my relative. He has an appointment with his insurance adjustor on Monday where they will discuss.

He said if they offer a write-off he will refuse it and keep driving as-is as it's the cheapest option for him

Will update the thread if anything else happens
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My cheap ass would still drive that as is. It still gets me where I need to go.
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coolintheshade wrote: +1 no way 2k repair.
Yep. Crazy how fast costs add up, quite a bit more involved than just banging a panel back into shape and spraying it. I hit a deer that banged up the corner of my car (hood, light bent down, bumper cracked, no airbags and was still driveable). Didn't seem like much but it was $10K after all was said and done, labour and painting/blending made up the bulk of the cost.
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coolintheshade wrote: This is not an option at all.
The person at fault, his only obligation is to report the accident to MPI.
If the OP's relative decides not to go through insurance, he can't just go ahead and sue the other person, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Maybe you can do that in Ontario or other provinces, but not here.
I pretty much said that wasn't a viable option with "good luck with that route" and "your relative will be out of pocket $6k". Perhaps you missed the sarcasm? You'd be amazed at what people think they can do.
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M1K3Z0R wrote: Yep. Crazy how fast costs add up, quite a bit more involved than just banging a panel back into shape and spraying it. I hit a deer that banged up the corner of my car (hood, light bent down, bumper cracked, no airbags and was still driveable). Didn't seem like much but it was $10K after all was said and done, labour and painting/blending made up the bulk of the cost.

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My daughters 2017 Kia Sportage.
A deer ran across the road and smoked the side of her vehicle while driving around 50km/h (in town).
Front fender, front bumper cover and headlight assembly, $5500.
Not sure how other provinces work when it comes to body damage, but once there’s a crease in any panel, they will not repair it, It will be replaced.

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