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Miss Simpler RPG Games

Am I the only one missing old school RPG games where it wasn’t always about shoot em up and fight battles non stop?

I find almost all of the newer games are more action first shooter games than they are real RPG games with a great story line and more dialogue between characters and NPCs etc.

I prefer games that are more story based where results are based more on decisions made, conversations had and puzzles that need to be solved. Nowadays, it seems most games boil down to the type of gun or weapon you have and how good you are at combat.
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I was saying in another thread how Diablo killed the RPG game. Apart from everything being action-oriented, today's RPG also boils down to opening boxes and collecting gear and upgrades, hence the loot box generation EA and others have forced down everyone's throats across genres. And though skills are tree based, it now comes down to how much X did you slaughter, how much Y did you collect.
Electronic game RPG's were an attempt at bringing D&D to computers. It was never as story rich as having a real life DM, but today's RPG wannabees have strayed so far from the original you'd never know they are supposed to be related.
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I agree... So much of what made RPG's great back in the day are sorely lacking. Even simple turn-based RPG's like Baldurs Gate are a thing of the past. It's sad really. Not everyone wants a game that constantly involves combat/fighting. One game I was pleasantly surprised with in the past which wasn't really an RPG but puzzle adventure game was Prince of Persia. Having to solve and find little ways out of certain maps was a lot of fun to play. Happy to hear they are bringing it out again with a new version to be released in 2021.
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OP have you played TW3? Despite the controversy around CP2077, TW3 is still a masterpiece that checks a lot of the boxes you're looking for. The combat is not very intrusive and I'd recommend just playing on easy and focus on enjoying it for the story, dialog, world building etc which are pretty much a masterclass in the genre. There are often hours of no combat or action where you just explore and engage in dialog and decision making which is where the game thrives and nails what you're looking for.

If you're on PC and don't mind going back in time a little, Dragon Age Origins is also a phenomenal RPG with everything you're looking for. For something more recent, Wasteland 3 and Divinity OS 2 are games you may want to look into.
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I guess my tastes are a bit different. I'm a fan of turn based JRPGs.

My favourites of all time are still Final Fantasy 3, 7, Chrono Trigger, Grandia 2, and Skies of Arcadia.

I think the most recent one that I really enjoyed was Octopath Traveler. But even the old school turn based RPGs are few and far between or disappearing. As cool as FF7 Remake was, I was hoping they would have just done a complete graphical overhaul but kept the game/gameplay the same.
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I've been meaning to get back into an RPG, and TW3 might be just the ticket. GOTY edition is currently on sale. I can't count how many hours I've sunk into the Skyrim over the years. Had to take a break.
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ReeGee wrote: OP have you played TW3? Despite the controversy around CP2077, TW3 is still a masterpiece that checks a lot of the boxes you're looking for. The combat is not very intrusive and I'd recommend just playing on easy and focus on enjoying it for the story, dialog, world building etc which are pretty much a masterclass in the genre. There are often hours of no combat or action where you just explore and engage in dialog and decision making which is where the game thrives and nails what you're looking for.

If you're on PC and don't mind going back in time a little, Dragon Age Origins is also a phenomenal RPG with everything you're looking for. For something more recent, Wasteland 3 and Divinity OS 2 are games you may want to look into.
The original Wasteland was one of my favorite Commodore 64 games ever! I liked it so much I restarted the game twice to finish it since I lost save files twice to corruption. Then I replayed it on PC years later. That was the birth of non-sword and sorcery RPG games for me, based on the same engine as The Bard's Tale games. That was an RPG!
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Persona 5, Persona 5 Royale is the turn-based RPG you are looking for.
The older ones like Persona 4 Golden, Persona 3 are great too.

Dragon Quest XI Definitive Edition is up there too but the main character, in typical Dragon Quest fashion, is mute aside from Yes, No, answers and uncharismatic.
The supporting cast of characters talk and are decently written.


Final Fantasy X HD Remastered, and Final Fantasy 8 remastered are among the greatest RPGS and music OST.
Caerus wrote: I guess my tastes are a bit different. I'm a fan of turn based JRPGs.

My favourites of all time are still Final Fantasy 3, 7, Chrono Trigger, Grandia 2, and Skies of Arcadia.

I think the most recent one that I really enjoyed was Octopath Traveler. But even the old school turn based RPGs are few and far between or disappearing. As cool as FF7 Remake was, I was hoping they would have just done a complete graphical overhau l but kept the game/gameplay the same.
The problem with Octopath Traveler is not all the characters and their stories are connected well, and the music is mediocre.
Overall Ocotopath does not have many standout moments compared to Persona or Final Fantasy.
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BeCr8ive wrote: Am I the only one missing old school RPG games where it wasn’t always about shoot em up and fight battles non stop?

I find almost all of the newer games are more action first shooter games than they are real RPG games with a great story line and more dialogue between characters and NPCs etc.

I prefer games that are more story based where results are based more on decisions made, conversations had and puzzles that need to be solved. Nowadays, it seems most games boil down to the type of gun or weapon you have and how good you are at combat.
Have any specific examples of games you liked and can't find newer equivalents? There are lots of great rpg's out there nowadays that aren't action games (lots mentioned here), but maybe your looking for something quite specific?
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XFactor11 wrote: Persona 5, Persona 5 Royale is the turn-based RPG you are looking for.
The older ones like Persona 4 Golden, Persona 3 are great too.

Dragon Quest XI Definitive Edition is up there too but the main character, in typical Dragon Quest fashion, is mute aside from Yes, No, answers and uncharismatic.
The supporting cast of characters talk and are decently written.


Final Fantasy X HD Remastered, and Final Fantasy 8 remastered are among the greatest RPGS and music OST.



The problem with Octopath Traveler is not all the characters and their stories are connected well, and the music is mediocre.
Overall Ocotopath does not have many standout moments compared to Persona or Final Fantasy.
A mute main character is actually good. It makes the player create the character's personality, even if only in their imagination. That's more of an RPG ideal than having a fleshed-out character that you inhabit. Literally the whole point of being The Avatar in the Ultima series.
I think that is part of the problem with having too many options in creating a character in an "RPG" with such visual fidelity as a Cyberpunk 2077. By giving you so many things to pick and choose, it might shoehorn you into a specific character that you see perfectly. Meanwhile you're a mute, but one that looks so real. That sort of thing is probably better suited to a shooter, and breaks the RPG element right there. RPG's should be a little more about seeing yourself in the role, without actually seeing yourself.
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BernardRyder wrote: The original Wasteland was one of my favorite Commodore 64 games ever! I liked it so much I restarted the game twice to finish it since I lost save files twice to corruption. Then I replayed it on PC years later. That was the birth of non-sword and sorcery RPG games for me, based on the same engine as The Bard's Tale games. That was an RPG!
Wasteland 3 was great. I'm eagerly waiting on Baldur's Gate 3.
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XFactor11 wrote: Persona 5, Persona 5 Royale is the turn-based RPG you are looking for.
The older ones like Persona 4 Golden, Persona 3 are great too.

Dragon Quest XI Definitive Edition is up there too but the main character, in typical Dragon Quest fashion, is mute aside from Yes, No, answers and uncharismatic.
The supporting cast of characters talk and are decently written.


Final Fantasy X HD Remastered, and Final Fantasy 8 remastered are among the greatest RPGS and music OST.



The problem with Octopath Traveler is not all the characters and their stories are connected well, and the music is mediocre.
Overall Ocotopath does not have many standout moments compared to Persona or Final Fantasy.
SaGa Scarlet Grace is the better executed Octopath Traveler.

The ports of Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 available on all systems are great as well.

And Square Enix just announced that they would port/remake SaGa Frontier too.
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BeCr8ive wrote: Am I the only one missing old school RPG games where it wasn’t always about shoot em up and fight battles non stop?
try disco elysium, zero combat RPG
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These are all great comments and suggestions. Thanks guys. I’m going to see if many of these are available on the Xbox as that’s where I play my games now.

I absolutely loved Bards Tale when I was growing up and followed that up with Baldurs Gate series. Those were more in line with the kinds of rpgs I remember.

I also really like games that are more about puzzle or problem solving than hack and slash. That’s why games like Prince of Persia was so good.

I just started playing Witcher 3 as I have Xbox game pass and so far it’s good. But again, I find there’s so much thrown at you in terms of weapons, items you pick up not really knowing the relevance of them too much. On the one hand it provides a lot of value for replayability and options within the game but often times I find having too many items becomes a bit overwhelming. Maybe I’m just a bit too old school. Lol
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BeCr8ive wrote: These are all great comments and suggestions. Thanks guys. I’m going to see if many of these are available on the Xbox as that’s where I play my games now.

I absolutely loved Bards Tale when I was growing up and followed that up with Baldurs Gate series. Those were more in line with the kinds of rpgs I remember.

I also really like games that are more about puzzle or problem solving than hack and slash. That’s why games like Prince of Persia was so good.

I just started playing Witcher 3 as I have Xbox game pass and so far it’s good. But again, I find there’s so much thrown at you in terms of weapons, items you pick up not really knowing the relevance of them too much. On the one hand it provides a lot of value for replayability and options within the game but often times I find having too many items becomes a bit overwhelming. Maybe I’m just a bit too old school. Lol
That unfortunately comes back to the looter aspect of the modern RPG. It has become more about collecting and less about experiencing. The modern RPG speaks more to the hoarder/completionist mentality that is prevalent today.
I would play the Borderlands series with a friend who had to do every f'ing side mission and open every f'ing box that I came to realize he was a bit... sick. I didn't even know what was going on story wise because I was just following him as he rushed around triggering events and opening boxes and running into caves killing more guys to pick up another crappy gun. That's why I'm completely done with Borderlands, I mean apart from the weak writing.
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BernardRyder wrote: That unfortunately comes back to the looter aspect of the modern RPG. It has become more about collecting and less about experiencing. The modern RPG speaks more to the hoarder/completionist mentality that is prevalent today.
I would play the Borderlands series with a friend who had to do every f'ing side mission and open every f'ing box that I came to realize he was a bit... sick. I didn't even know what was going on story wise because I was just following him as he rushed around triggering events and opening boxes and running into caves killing more guys to pick up another crappy gun. That's why I'm completely done with Borderlands, I mean apart from the weak writing.
You nailed exactly how I’m feeling about it all. There are so many items and loot everywhere that it all becomes so meaningless after a while. I watched a few beginner guide videos on YouTube for Witcher 3 and one of the very first suggestions by nearly every one of them was to grab loot off every body and house or place you visit. Just steal everything. I mean really? I get the importance of finding a critical item but just randomly picking everything up seems a bit much not to mention unrealistic for a single person to carry all that stuff.
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Interesting that you use Baldur's Gate as an example, because I thought BG2 at least was a pretty complicated and difficult game.

Have you looked at adventure games? like Detroit Become Human or Heavy Rain. Also Disco Elysium seems to be a highly rated and very story-driven RPG, but it seems to be pretty quirky so not sure if that's your thing.
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Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch might be an RPG you might like ...

Talking about old school RPG's, there aren't any games like Ultima V or the really old Bard's Tale ... from C64 days !!!
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BeCr8ive wrote: You nailed exactly how I’m feeling about it all. There is so many items and loot everywhere that it all becomes so meaningless after a while. I watched a few beginner guide videos on YouTube for Witcher 3 and one of the very first suggestions by nearly every one of them was to grab loot off every body and house or place you visit. Just steal everything. I mean really? I get the importance of finding a critical item but just randomly picking everything up seems a bit much not to mention unrealistic for a single person to carry all that stuff.
BernardRyder wrote: That unfortunately comes back to the looter aspect of the modern RPG. It has become more about collecting and less about experiencing. The modern RPG speaks more to the hoarder/completionist mentality that is prevalent today.
I would play the Borderlands series with a friend who had to do every f'ing side mission and open every f'ing box that I came to realize he was a bit... sick. I didn't even know what was going on story wise because I was just following him as he rushed around triggering events and opening boxes and running into caves killing more guys to pick up another crappy gun. That's why I'm completely done with Borderlands, I mean apart from the weak writing.
I don't think the current existence and popularity of RPG's with a focus on looting is evidence that there aren't a lot of good and great RPG's out there that don't focus on it. As others mentioned already Dragon age series, Divinity Original Sins series, Pillars of Eternity series, Tyranny, Newer Wasteland games, Torment: Tides of Numenara, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Age of Decadence. All of these aren't a loot fest and and have a more classic RPG feel. Not to mention there is literally a new Baldurs Gate coming out! Although to be fair I haven't looked into that one much so not sure how similar to the originals it will be. Also, I have no idea how many of these are available on console so at least console wise you may be right and are limited in options.

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