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Mobile experience at 128 Kbps, 256 Kbps, 512 Kbps, and 1.25 Mbps?

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Mobile experience at 128 Kbps, 256 Kbps, 512 Kbps, and 1.25 Mbps?

I'm curious, what's the cell phone experience like at these various speeds? 128 Kbps, 256 Kbps, 512 Kbps, 1.25 Mbps?

The reason I ask is because I'm wondering what a kids' phone plan should look like when the time comes. How useless is 128 Kbps for real world use? I'm thinking it would be pretty bad except for messaging without multi-media.

128 Kbps - Lucky Mobile after using up the data allotment
256 Kbps - Freedom Mobile after using up the data allotment
512 Kbps - The big three after using up the data allotment
1.25 Mbps - That appears to be roughly the speed one gets on Rogers with Stream Saver turned on.

I have a Rogers cell plan with a tablet add-on that shares the data, and have the option of allowing full speed access or Stream Saver mode on either the phone or tablet, or both. I've noticed when I turned it on for the tablet, I was maxing out around 1.25 Mbps-ish. For instant messaging, 1.25 Mbps was great, and for surfing it was also OK, at least for mobile sites. Sluggish at times but overall tolerable. YouTube at 1.25 Mbps was bad, but it was at least sort of watchable on a phone.

I have no experience with the slower speeds, but I'm guessing 512 Kbps would be usable for surfing whereas 128 Kbps would be pretty horrible.

Do you guys and gals have any experience with this?
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There are web apps that can check any website and tell you how large it is. A lot of sites these days have homepages as large as 3MB. At 50KB/sec (512kbit) that's about a minute to load. You can speed that up by using compression and only accessing mobile versions of sites. Lots of mobile sites are 100KB or less. Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi - I think they all have compression. I have found Opera works quite well even in marginal signal areas, on low speed LTE. (Ex: Public Mobile - 3mbit)

I think for video, you do need a bit more speed unless you limit yourself to 480p.

Messaging will be fine on even the lowest speed - unless you start sending huge photos back and forth. 128kbit is ~16KB/sec - that's like 3000-4000 average English language words per second. Toss some emoticons in and you're still not maxing out that throttled connection. Even if the app is using horribly bloated uncompression schemes, it's still got a lot of speed for that task. Email is the same - unless there's large attachments, 16KB/sec is enough.
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Kramy wrote: There are web apps that can check any website and tell you how large it is. A lot of sites these days have homepages as large as 3MB. At 50KB/sec (512kbit) that's about a minute to load. You can speed that up by using compression and only accessing mobile versions of sites. Lots of mobile sites are 100KB or less. Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi - I think they all have compression. I have found Opera works quite well even in marginal signal areas, on low speed LTE. (Ex: Public Mobile - 3mbit)

I think for video, you do need a bit more speed unless you limit yourself to 480p.

Messaging will be fine on even the lowest speed - unless you start sending huge photos back and forth. 128kbit is ~16KB/sec - that's like 3000-4000 average English language words per second. Toss some emoticons in and you're still not maxing out that throttled connection. Even if the app is using horribly bloated uncompression schemes, it's still got a lot of speed for that task. Email is the same - unless there's large attachments, 16KB/sec is enough.
OK, Lucky Mobile is looking like a great option for younger kids, and some ways better than my data-only tablet plan for younger kids (which is my choice of full speed or else throttled at 1.25 Mbps sharing my 20 GB data bucket, but with no SMS or voice support). The $15/mo Lucky Mobile plan with 100 Canada-wide minutes and unlimited international texts along with 250 MB of full speed data and then 128 Kbps after that looks like a great option.

I see others in other threads have recommended other plans, but the real draw of Lucky Mobile is the unlimited (throttled) data and texts even on the cheapest plan. It's fast enough for messaging, but slow enough so they're not constantly watching video streams.
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128kbps is double of fastest speed on dial up days @ 56k, it's not useable on today's web

even with a forum like RFD, the minimal per page load is 1MB+.

At 512kbps, it "could" be useable but expect lags. Basically double of the time of what you experienced in 1.25Mbps
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I could be wrong but I don't think the unlimited data applies to Lucky's $15 plan.

It's only mentioned in the $15 data only plan and the $25 and up plans
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I've always thought of the "unlimited slow" speeds at the end of your normal data bucket as more of a safety net. If you run out of the main bucket a couple days before the end of the month, you don't have to worry about being stuck without any access when you need to look something up. Having said that, slow connections will always work for "time shifted" scenarios (ie messaging, web browsing) if you're patient. Also keep in mind that your average modern webpage has a huge amount of crap built in. Filter some of that out, and browsing on a slow connection isn't quite as bad.

If you're willing to experiment, you can actually test out your questions. In the Chrome desktop developer tools, you can do simulations for alternate devices and also simulate throttled connections. Lets try an example. In a fresh install of Vivaldi (in a virtual machine), I simulated a mobile device with a custom network throttling profile of 128kb/s up, 128kb/s down and 25ms latency. (Hopefully a reasonable approximation of a Lucky connection.)

I loaded up the RFD homepage. Page loaded in about 3 minutes with 2.2MB transferred. (Hard to tell when it exactly finished loading as the ads keep pulling new data.) A little on the painful side.

Let's try it again with UBlock origin installed with its default settings. Page loaded in 41.81 seconds with 586kB transferred. Better.

Now lets create some custom filters. We'll kill images, 3rd party javascript, objects and fonts. Page loaded in 6.52 seconds with 57.3kB transferred. Much better. And subjectively, browsing around RFD wasn't that bad in this configuration.

Long story short, browsing for fairly static content with a slow connection on a browser that supports content blocking in very doable. (If you're willing to do a bit of work and make a few sacrifices.)

I wrote up a little blurb on mobile browsers in a previous thread. I'll shamelessly link it here for reference.
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Dave98 wrote: I could be wrong but I don't think the unlimited data applies to Lucky's $15 plan.

It's only mentioned in the $15 data only plan and the $25 and up plans
Damn. No, you're right. :( The $15 plan with voice and text doesn't include unlimited 128 Kbps data. Actually the agent said the $15 data-only plan doesn't include it either, but that's incorrect.

ddot98 wrote: I've always thought of the "unlimited slow" speeds at the end of your normal data bucket as more of a safety net. If you run out of the main bucket a couple days before the end of the month, you don't have to worry about being stuck without any access when you need to look something up. Having said that, slow connections will always work for "time shifted" scenarios (ie messaging, web browsing) if you're patient. Also keep in mind that your average modern webpage has a huge amount of crap built in. Filter some of that out, and browsing on a slow connection isn't quite as bad.

If you're willing to experiment, you can actually test out your questions. In the Chrome desktop developer tools, you can do simulations for alternate devices and also simulate throttled connections. Lets try an example. In a fresh install of Vivaldi (in a virtual machine), I simulated a mobile device with a custom network throttling profile of 128kb/s up, 128kb/s down and 25ms latency. (Hopefully a reasonable approximation of a Lucky connection.)

I loaded up the RFD homepage. Page loaded in about 3 minutes with 2.2MB transferred. (Hard to tell when it exactly finished loading as the ads keep pulling new data.) A little on the painful side.

Let's try it again with UBlock origin installed with its default settings. Page loaded in 41.81 seconds with 586kB transferred. Better.

Now lets create some custom filters. We'll kill images, 3rd party javascript, objects and fonts. Page loaded in 6.52 seconds with 57.3kB transferred. Much better. And subjectively, browsing around RFD wasn't that bad in this configuration.

Long story short, browsing for fairly static content with a slow connection on a browser that supports content blocking in very doable. (If you're willing to do a bit of work and make a few sacrifices.)

I wrote up a little blurb on mobile browsers in a previous thread. I'll shamelessly link it here for reference.
Thanks for that info. I will have to try that myself sometime too.

sexyj wrote: 128kbps is double of fastest speed on dial up days @ 56k, it's not useable on today's web

even with a forum like RFD, the minimal per page load is 1MB+.

At 512kbps, it "could" be useable but expect lags. Basically double of the time of what you experienced in 1.25Mbps
It seems it depends on the website. The mobile sites seem to be drastically increasing in size, but it's mostly related to images. If images are stripped out, then it's much more manageable.

For example, the RFD mobile site is very fast because it's not encumbered by multi-media.

It really seems 1+ Mbps is a good compromise, but the companies don't offer that for their "unlimited" data unfortunately.

For me the 1.25 Mbps category has now temporarily become moot though since I just cancelled my free data plan as I have returned the free tablet. Yes it was all free but I didn't want the tablet anyway, just the plan, but wasn't going to use the plan until several months from now so the plan would have been wasted for those months. I'm taking a gamble that another free tablet plan promotion will appear later, closer to the time I'll actually will use it.

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