pixel 6 pro $741 with TMS

saw this, was about to get it until I saw an article earlier this week about how the screen is extra vulnerable to cracks so I rather not pay extra for something so fragile.

I am looking at this phone for my father.

I would like to avoid Robbers and their subsidiaries like Fidel and Cheatr.

Do you know if it is available for other honest and dedicated service providers with good principles?

Thanks you.

Downvoted, then upvoted. It seems to be a good deal by today's standards. I wish I still had my time machine. Basically you will be paying $70 a month plus taxes for this phone and plan.

tdracer wrote: ↑ Downvoted, then upvoted. It seems to be a good deal by today's standards. I wish I still had my time machine. Basically you will be paying $70 a month plus taxes for this phone and plan.

yup, $70 for the first 15 months then $80 for the next 9

MrKing1993 wrote: ↑ yup, $70 for the first 15 months then $80 for the next 9

pining for the fjords.

woojoopattern wrote: ↑ I am looking at this phone for my father.

I would like to avoid Robbers and their subsidiaries like Fidel and Cheatr.

Do you know if it is available for other honest and dedicated service providers with good principles?

Thanks you.

I looked forever for something better but I got tired tbh, this is my first time with fido and on a contract (been a loyal freedom customer, but their network got worse over time where i live, been paying $500+ for a service that barely exists), I was looking for a second hand P6 pro but everyone seems to be scalping these days so this was the most optimum solution for me

MrKing1993 wrote: ↑ I looked forever for something better but I got tired tbh, this is my first time with fido and on a contract (been a loyal freedom customer, but their network got worse over time where i live, been paying $500+ for a service that barely exists), I was looking for a second hand P6 pro but everyone seems to be scalping these days so this was the most optimum solution for me

Please report back when they change your plan, use contractors with lack of training and manners, add additional fees, steal voice print for their identity data collection assets without knowing whether they have any record of consent, only offering to disable the feature, after putting you on hold for 10 minutes to find out that you need to send an email to their privacy department. This is Rogers.

woojoopattern wrote: ↑ Please report back when they change your plan, use contractors with lack of training and manners, add additional fees, steal voice print for their identity data collection assets without knowing whether they have any record of consent, only offering to disable the feature, after putting you on hold for 10 minutes to find out that you need to send an email to their privacy department. This is Rogers.

ok Kevin....from Bell.

woojoopattern wrote: ↑ I am looking at this phone for my father.

I would like to avoid Robbers and their subsidiaries like Fidel and Cheatr.

Do you know if it is available for other honest and dedicated service providers with good principles?

Thanks you.

If you can manage with 12GB data then most carriers have $35 for first year and then $40 for 2nd year. So, it's $37.5 per month over next two years.

Comparing with this price..

Phone cost with contract will be ~$870+tax.

So, you will be paying ~$260+tax more.. But you won't get stuck in contract and have freedom choosing different plans as per your need.

specialoffers wrote: ↑ If you can manage with 12GB data then most carriers have $35 for first year and then $40 for 2nd year. So, it's $37.5 per month over next two years.

Comparing with this price..

Phone cost with contract will be ~$870+tax.

So, you will be paying ~$260+tax more.. But you won't get stuck in contract and have freedom choosing different plans as per your need.

You cannot get a pixel 6 pro on those $35 plans... They're byod plans... And buying the P6P outright is at least $1179+tax...

hachi8 wrote: ↑ You cannot get a pixel 6 pro on those $35 plans... They're byod plans... And buying the P6P outright is at least $1179+tax...

Buy phone outright and get BYOD plan(12 Gb) . $35 first year and $40 second year. So, avg. Cost for two years is $37.5 per months.

(1179+(37.5×24) = 2079*1.13(Ontario Tax) = 2349.27.

With contract on 15GB plan. $45 for 15 months and then $55.

(240+(45×15)+(55×9)+(25×24) = 2271.3 - $200(PC point) = 2071.30

So, you are paying $277.97 more if you go with BYOD plan and buy phone outright.

specialoffers wrote: ↑ Buy phone outright and get BYOD plan(12 Gb) . $35 first year and $40 second year. So, avg. Cost for two years is $37.5 per months.

(1179+(37.5×24) = 2079*1.13(Ontario Tax) = 2349.27.

With contract on 15GB plan. $45 for 15 months and then $55.

(240+(45×15)+(55×9)+(25×24) = 2271.3 - $200(PC point) = 2071.30

So, you are paying $277.97 more if you go with BYOD plan and buy phone outright.

Not quite...

Even if I don't account for the fact of dropping $1300+ cashflow instantly and losing the opportunity cost if I were to invest that over 24months... Or the fact that 3 extra GB is a significant chunk of data compared on a 12GB plan... The difference is still much bigger than that...

You should not be charging tax on the tab btw, tab charge is a fixed amount per month without tax.
Also in my scenario, I'm going to include the bonus minimum $50 trade in value for an old garbage flip phone that I used that OP did not take advantage of for some reason.

(240+(45x15)+(55x9))x1.13 + (25x24) = $2193.3

-$200(PC points) -$50 (trade in worthless phone) = $1943.3

Difference is $405.97

If I were to prorate the 3 extra GB at a conservative $5 extra per month, you add another $135.6 to the final difference = $541.57
+ ROI on the ~$1300 investment and Bob's your uncle...

My first and last Pixel phone. I got the pro on launch day and has been terrible experience.

- The camera is good in certain conditions, in other conditions it sucks due to AI enhancements.
- Dropped calls in hilly areas, where my older OnePlus 7 pro never had issues in those areas.
- Wifi speed sucks compared to my older OnePlus 7 pro, many users reported the Wifi chip are not as good.
- Terrible software, while it's stock it is missing many features that I miss on the OP 7 pro, my older Samsung devices.
- Oddly enough many times apps like google maps crashed my phone. I never experienced similar crash on my older phones.
- No fast charge, I miss the convience of charging my OP 7 pro.

I advise to stay away from Google phones, their hardware still sucks, and software is not any better even tho it's custom. This was all hype, you can find deals or price for S21 ultra, which is little older but much better phone in all aspects.

woojoopattern wrote: ↑ I am looking at this phone for my father.

I would like to avoid Robbers and their subsidiaries like Fidel and Cheatr.

Do you know if it is available for other honest and dedicated service providers with good principles?

Thanks you.

Not bad deal if one is willing to do the long game and rinse and repeat once 2 years pass.

Fido is by far the best in terms of benefit the customers. If you look at the deals of the past, it's almost always Fido in the headline. If you walk by a mall lately, Fido always has line up; Telus and Bell not so much. I sell Rogers and Telus brands of cellular products, Telus is almost the leader of increasing or introducing fees (SIM fee, activation fee, shipping fee) before everyone else would follow. During promotional times, I activate more Fido phones than anything else, next is Public Mobile.

To think one is better in social responsibility, all of them (Bell, Rogers, Telus) are operating more or less the same manner, they will do everything (within legal limits) to increase their profit and stock price. What they do for the community is really subsidizing those charitable programs from the pockets of their customers.

Without being too OT, the root of our oligopoly problem is systematically due to our lack of oversight. Our government is just not willing to stand up against the unions and the big corp like our financial and telecom industries. We are paying through the roof to fatten up someone else's pocket and those people likely become the regulators like the CRTC when they retire.

johalnn2 wrote: ↑My first and last Pixel phone. I got the pro on launch day and has been terrible experience.

- The camera is good in certain conditions, in other conditions it sucks due to AI enhancements.
- Dropped calls in hilly areas, where my older OnePlus 7 pro never had issues in those areas.
- Wifi speed sucks compared to my older OnePlus 7 pro, many users reported the Wifi chip are not as good.
- Terrible software, while it's stock it is missing many features that I miss on the OP 7 pro, my older Samsung devices.
- Oddly enough many times apps like google maps crashed my phone. I never experienced similar crash on my older phones.
- No fast charge, I miss the convience of charging my OP 7 pro.

I advise to stay away from Google phones, their hardware still sucks, and software is not any better even tho it's custom. This was all hype, you can find deals or price for S21 ultra, which is little older but much better phone in all aspects.

Complete opposite experience for me on pixel 6 (regular).

It's been fast and quick performance in all apps. Never had a problem with dropped calls or "hilly areas" (I live in the foothills).

The software (OS) is newest android, without bloatware.

I get 4-500Mbps up/down in nearly all areas of my house.

Also it has both fast charging (30W listed, but charges at 22-25W) and adaptive charging (if you have an alarm set and charging over night, it slow charges so you get to 100% at the time your alarm goes off). Your issue is probably your power source.

There are a few minor bugs I've experienced, that I'm sure we'll be solved in updates:
Bluetooth wouldn't connect and had to restart phone.
The WhatsApp Camera seems to save a larger FOV than you see when taking pictures.
Casting from pixel 6 only works to casting to Chromecast (not FireStick) but there's apps to get around that.

johalnn2 wrote: ↑ My first and last Pixel phone. I got the pro on launch day and has been terrible experience.

- The camera is good in certain conditions, in other conditions it sucks due to AI enhancements.
- Dropped calls in hilly areas, where my older OnePlus 7 pro never had issues in those areas.
- Wifi speed sucks compared to my older OnePlus 7 pro, many users reported the Wifi chip are not as good.
- Terrible software, while it's stock it is missing many features that I miss on the OP 7 pro, my older Samsung devices.
- Oddly enough many times apps like google maps crashed my phone. I never experienced similar crash on my older phones.
- No fast charge, I miss the convience of charging my OP 7 pro.

I advise to stay away from Google phones, their hardware still sucks, and software is not any better even tho it's custom. This was all hype, you can find deals or price for S21 ultra, which is little older but much better phone in all aspects.

One thing to keep in mind is Google tends to fix their bugs pretty quickly, same happened to all Pixels, when they were initially released there were full of bugs which get fixed eventually.

Also I think it takes time to get used to a system (even though they are all Android), I am more used to use the "vanilla" Android so actually using Samsung's UI took me a bit of a learning curve and time to get used to. My recommendation is to use a third-party launcher that you like (I use Nova but there are many other good options), and then stick with that launcher whether you use Samsung or OnePlus or Pixels.

For the Wifi issues I didn't really experience that, but given COVID I haven't connected to too many other wifi other than my home wifi. Also didn't experience app crashing. Did you keep your phone updated with the latest patches? Also I noticed sometimes just clear data (or reinstall the app completely) helps, especially if you restored a backup from another phone.

Finally I think it is also worth to note that this phone is not meant to be a "top performer" phone, the price is really in the mid-range, as such I don't think it would be fair to compare to like the Samsung Fold or Galaxy S21+ (which is costing double if not triple the price). The tensor chip is also not meant to be the fastest chip but more focus on ability to perform AI-related tasks. Give magic eraser a try, I found it is pretty amazing.

I don't work for Google, just a happy P6P/stock Android user.

hachi8 wrote: ↑ Not quite...

Even if I don't account for the fact of dropping $1300+ cashflow instantly and losing the opportunity cost if I were to invest that over 24months... Or the fact that 3 extra GB is a significant chunk of data compared on a 12GB plan... The difference is still much bigger than that...

You should not be charging tax on the tab btw, tab charge is a fixed amount per month without tax.
Also in my scenario, I'm going to include the bonus minimum $50 trade in value for an old garbage flip phone that I used that OP did not take advantage of for some reason.

(240+(45x15)+(55x9))x1.13 + (25x24) = $2193.3

-$200(PC points) -$50 (trade in worthless phone) = $1943.3

Difference is $405.97

If I were to prorate the 3 extra GB at a conservative $5 extra per month, you add another $135.6 to the final difference = $541.57
+ ROI on the ~$1300 investment and Bob's your uncle...

specialoffers wrote: ↑ Buy phone outright and get BYOD plan(12 Gb) . $35 first year and $40 second year. So, avg. Cost for two years is $37.5 per months.

(1179+(37.5×24) = 2079*1.13(Ontario Tax) = 2349.27.

With contract on 15GB plan. $45 for 15 months and then $55.

(240+(45×15)+(55×9)+(25×24) = 2271.3 - $200(PC point) = 2071.30

So, you are paying $277.97 more if you go with BYOD plan and buy phone outright.

Either way, now you're stuck in the grind of looking for a new plan every 2 years.

Better to stick with my $35 plan and get a mid-tier phone like the Pixel 6, directly from Google, with Google warranty/service

johalnn2 wrote: ↑ - Oddly enough many times apps like google maps crashed my phone. I never experienced similar crash on my older phones.

That was when I ditched Android for good. Was on an important phone call (not 911 but imagine if it were?) when suddenly the phone app force-closed itself. Unlike most people I use my phone as a phone first. If you can't even do that.. goodbye. Also not to mention all 3 of the phones I owned ended up with a charging port issue (likely more Samsung-related and/or pitfalls of the micro-USB standard). 6 years later on 2 different iOS devices never had an app force-close, and never replaced a charging port.