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tomw wrote: NCIX seems to have a sale on now:

QNAP TS-112 for $149.99 (free ground shipping for this item only)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=58628&promoid=1396

QNAP TS-212 for $169.99
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=58629&promoid=1396

QNAP TS-412 for $379.99
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=58630&promoid=1396

The QNAP TS-419P+ is also on sale, $40 instant rebate ($480.98) ends Feb 1/12.
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=57041& ... s%20Inc%2E
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hdefjunkie wrote: I picked one up on sale just before Christmas and loaded it up with Hitachi 2TB (7200rpm) drives and really like the platform and integration. DSM is nicely
integrated with lots of features. Also went the home built a couple years ago, chenbro case, mini itx MB, CF boot disk and a stripped down linux install with 500G drives (when they were cheap) and recently upgraded those to 1TB drives without issue. IMHO, if you like to tinker and learn as you go, home built is "fun" but in the end I still prefer the DS1511 over the home built. I like the expansion options and "silent" running.
How much did you got it on sale? It wasnt a special sale like boxing day right?

I'm not really interested in a "home built" as my alternative thinking is to just buy a corsair carbide case which has 6 HDD slots and just RAID them internally.
lurker99 wrote: DS1511+ is last year model, wait for the DS1812+ which has 8 bay and about $1000. The expansion box DX510 is not worth the money, it's normally about $550. I would take $550 and spent it on a new NAS box instead of the DX510.

Good info. Any link regarding this new DS1812+?
WildParadise wrote: Big difference between the TS-412 and 419P?

I got 4x 2tb in raid 5 in my tower and looking to put a nas and something smaller with the tv.

It's to load one by one movies, nothing demanding.

This one is dirty cheap... http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=60865& ... omoid=1375
Thats what I'm wondering, if its not better to just buy a case with lots of HDD space like corsair carbide and just RAID 5 my HDD internally. I'm not using external tv's or anything like that.
That Javelin NAS is pretty tempting, but I don't think the reviews are all that great compared to Synology DS1511+, etc
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Messerschmitt wrote: How much did you got it on sale? It wasnt a special sale like boxing day right?

I'm not really interested in a "home built" as my alternative thinking is to just buy a corsair carbide case which has 6 HDD slots and just RAID them internally.



Good info. Any link regarding this new DS1812+?



Thats what I'm wondering, if its not better to just buy a case with lots of HDD space like corsair carbide and just RAID 5 my HDD internally. I'm not using external tv's or anything like that.
That Javelin NAS is pretty tempting, but I don't think the reviews are all that great compared to Synology DS1511+, etc

5 times the price...
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Circuit wrote: Short answer; Yes, that will do and work. looks like newegg.ca is having 15% off on Sans Digital enclosures.

Longer explanation, whether it says RAID or JBOD on the "device" shouldn't matter too much in this situation since you are connecting it to a computer. These Sans Digital devices are enclosures that direct connect to a PC (DAS = Direct attached storage) not (NAS = Network attached storage) NAS costs more than DAS, and if you are buying a NAS then it should support and have what you need, ie; RAID. For DAS, you've probably read many posts in the RFD computer forum and on other sites that these non-enterprise RAID devices are what is called "fake" RAID, and if there is an option to choose between Fake-RAID and Software-RAID, go with Software-RAID EVERY SINGLE TIME! :)

Please excuse me if this is already common knowledge to you, just want to cover the bases here:

There are 3 types of RAID controllers/implementation (Not talking about RAID "levels")
1. True Hardware-RAID (Expensive and mostly used in businesses/enterprise markets. These have a RAID ASIC on-board that does ALL the work along with memory cache to speed R/W)
2. Fake-RAID (Your typical motherboard RAID, or these eSATA/SATA controllers. HighPoint crap. They are 50/50 hardware software, you still need a driver on the OS to support the RAID configuration)
3. Software-RAID (Almost all OSes now have this, Windows, OSX, Linux. All RAID is performed on PC CPU and is just a software level)

#2 and #3 are consumer price levels and what we deal with at home. At work I only use #1

So why is Software-RAID better than Fake-RAID? Apart from speed, most software RAIDs have been shown to be faster than Fake-RAID and CPU usage is minimal. Google for proof.. (sorry about that :) )
Hypothetical scenario #1: You have Fake-RAID setup. BAM!! Your SATA Fake-RAID controller dies on you, what do you do? You go out and buy the EXACT SAME controller, for what ever $$amount$$ it costs... Time and money!
Hypothetical scenario #2: Hey, cool! Windows 8 is out now, I'm gonna upgrade. Oh NO! No software driver for my crappy HighPoint Fake-RAID controller, guess I'm not reading that array.. Frustration, fist through monitor.. Time and money!
Hypothetical scenario #3: I've got a whole bunch or empty harddrives, I'll just throw them into this Fake-RAID, error! WTF? What do you mean you don't support these harddrives in this configuration?? Hmm.. reminds me of HighPoint!
Hypothetical scenario #4: Ok, I've filled up my RAID and want to expand. WHAT? This version of Fake-RAID only supports 4 or 6 drives? I'm maxed out!! GRRRRH!
Hypothetical scenario #5: Hmm, I have all my important data on this RAID5 and want to be extra carefull, lets turn it into RAID6 or RAID1+0 with the data still in place, BAM!! What do you mean I have to reformat to the new RAID level in Fake-RAID!!
etc.. etc..

Software-RAID does not have these issues.. And all of these QNAP and Synology NAS boxes run Software-RAID on the embedded OS controllers as well. Just goes to show you...
The only issue would be if you created the RAID in windows and then plugged it into OSX, it would not be recognized, but then again that would be an issue with Fake-RAID as well...

Just an FYI, I run Linux Software-RAID on a tiny little Atom server, so you don't need a 6-core CPU for software RAID...

Thanks again Circuit, I didn't know about DAS and you saved me some serious dough. Actually, the only files worth backing up are photos and some documents. I have a 500GB portable hdd for the photos and documents so it's mainly file/media sharing that I needed.
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oldskool75 wrote: Is that Javelin actually a NAS? It looks like DAS (i.e. enclosure.. it only lists eSATA/usb2 connections)..

its a nas
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Circuit wrote: Short answer; Yes, that will do and work. looks like newegg.ca is having 15% off on Sans Digital enclosures.

Longer explanation, whether it says RAID or JBOD on the "device" shouldn't matter too much in this situation since you are connecting it to a computer. These Sans Digital devices are enclosures that direct connect to a PC (DAS = Direct attached storage) not (NAS = Network attached storage) NAS costs more than DAS, and if you are buying a NAS then it should support and have what you need, ie; RAID. For DAS, you've probably read many posts in the RFD computer forum and on other sites that these non-enterprise RAID devices are what is called "fake" RAID, and if there is an option to choose between Fake-RAID and Software-RAID, go with Software-RAID EVERY SINGLE TIME! :)

Please excuse me if this is already common knowledge to you, just want to cover the bases here:

There are 3 types of RAID controllers/implementation (Not talking about RAID "levels")
1. True Hardware-RAID (Expensive and mostly used in businesses/enterprise markets. These have a RAID ASIC on-board that does ALL the work along with memory cache to speed R/W)
2. Fake-RAID (Your typical motherboard RAID, or these eSATA/SATA controllers. HighPoint crap. They are 50/50 hardware software, you still need a driver on the OS to support the RAID configuration)
3. Software-RAID (Almost all OSes now have this, Windows, OSX, Linux. All RAID is performed on PC CPU and is just a software level)

#2 and #3 are consumer price levels and what we deal with at home. At work I only use #1

So why is Software-RAID better than Fake-RAID? Apart from speed, most software RAIDs have been shown to be faster than Fake-RAID and CPU usage is minimal. Google for proof.. (sorry about that :) )
Hypothetical scenario #1: You have Fake-RAID setup. BAM!! Your SATA Fake-RAID controller dies on you, what do you do? You go out and buy the EXACT SAME controller, for what ever $$amount$$ it costs... Time and money!
Hypothetical scenario #2: Hey, cool! Windows 8 is out now, I'm gonna upgrade. Oh NO! No software driver for my crappy HighPoint Fake-RAID controller, guess I'm not reading that array.. Frustration, fist through monitor.. Time and money!
Hypothetical scenario #3: I've got a whole bunch or empty harddrives, I'll just throw them into this Fake-RAID, error! WTF? What do you mean you don't support these harddrives in this configuration?? Hmm.. reminds me of HighPoint!
Hypothetical scenario #4: Ok, I've filled up my RAID and want to expand. WHAT? This version of Fake-RAID only supports 4 or 6 drives? I'm maxed out!! GRRRRH!
Hypothetical scenario #5: Hmm, I have all my important data on this RAID5 and want to be extra carefull, lets turn it into RAID6 or RAID1+0 with the data still in place, BAM!! What do you mean I have to reformat to the new RAID level in Fake-RAID!!
etc.. etc..

Software-RAID does not have these issues.. And all of these QNAP and Synology NAS boxes run Software-RAID on the embedded OS controllers as well. Just goes to show you...
The only issue would be if you created the RAID in windows and then plugged it into OSX, it would not be recognized, but then again that would be an issue with Fake-RAID as well...

Just an FYI, I run Linux Software-RAID on a tiny little Atom server, so you don't need a 6-core CPU for software RAID...

Newbie misinforming the users.
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EEE2 wrote: Newbie misinforming the users.

So a hardware Raid controller is still the way to go for those wanting RAID redundancy?
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It is a good thread!
shuffle wrote: Thanks for the help finding and posting them everyone.
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EEE2 wrote: Newbie misinforming the users.

Tell ya what.... After 10+ years in SAN/DAS industry, why don't you explain what I miss-informed.
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Circuit wrote: Tell ya what.... After 10+ years in SAN/DAS industry, why don't you explain what I miss-informed.

Hmmm. Now that Sans Digital TRBU+ seems enticing again. :)

I was thinking of just putting all my spare drives in that unit, and hopefully connect via USB 3.0 though none of my laptops at home have that feature. :(

I have no need for redundancy as I will just back up important files onto a spare portable hdd.

EDIT:

Is there such a thing as USB 3.0 gigabit ethernet adapter? LOL. This way I don't need a computer with a USB 3.0 port.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1700247

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/30057 ... ualization

This is only USB 2.0 and if that's the case, I might as overload my access point with USB drives:
http://web.techbuy.com.au/p/170748/Addonics/NAS30U2.asp

Summary of some NAS-like devices:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392221,00.asp

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