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New Furnace / Central Air Conditioner Time??

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I have had a few customers inquire about an AC group buy for 2022, and I am proud to say that Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning will be running another group buy his year.
We are currently finalizing the details and will be making it available soon.
As usual, I will be offering different brands so please inquire for any specific brand that interest you but not listed on group buy.
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newlyborn wrote: I have had a few customers inquire about an AC group buy for 2022, and I am proud to say that Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning will be running another group buy his year.
We are currently finalizing the details and will be making it available soon.
As usual, I will be offering different brands so please inquire for any specific brand that interest you but not listed on group buy.
newlyborn: Any Furnace & AC Group buy this year, 2022?

Or should I speak to you 1-on-1 for this?
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Hello ..Sorry for the delay in posting the group buy. Just trying to clear the backlog before I post. In the meantime please feel free to call / text or whats app me anytime.
Webhead wrote: newlyborn: Any Furnace & AC Group buy this year, 2022?

Or should I speak to you 1-on-1 for this?
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I've had the pleasure to interact with Ash/newlyborn from Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning in regards to getting a new furnace.

I've actually spoken to Ash several times before getting my furnace; once was when I needed a bit of assistance installing a Nest Thermostat in place of a proprietary carrier thermostat already installed when I first moved in. He also had come to troubleshoot some issues with my in-law's AC unit in the middle of a heatwave. And now, recently, he came to assist with my furnace.

I had woken up one morning and it was frigid. I went down to my furnace and with some troubleshooting, it had to do something with the unit not being able to turned on due to some issue with the burner of some sort. I had called Ash and he immediately called me back when he had a chance. He immediately knew the issue and had sent me a Carrier service bulletin. Fortunately, my unit was on that service bulletin, but unfortunately, it was not within the serial numbers that had the warranty service extended for the issue. He had provided me some options, and decided to replace the furnace as it was over 16 years old at this point.

I wasn't expecting him to come any time soon as it was extremely sudden and he had just come back from vacation, but he was able to get someone to come and install the furnace the very next day. That's incredible as I have a very pregnant wife as well as a toddler, so that saved us a ton of headaches.

His team came in installed the furnace within around 4 hours. I didn't know better, I wouldn't have known someone had come into the house and installed a furnace; it was that clean! They removed all the old equipment, installed the new one, inspected a lot of piping an hosing and installed some replacements for me without me even asking. They were courteous, meticulous and extremely professional. Within ours, my wife and toddler were able to come back to a warm house and many, many headaches were prevented.

Great service from Ash and his team at Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning. They definitely made me a customer for life and I will not hesitate to recommend them to everyone I know that requires any type of HVAC work. Thank you so much for your assistance and help!
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I am sorry but I do not have any Group buy for Ottawa yet. It is my "to do" list and trying to find people who can be trusted to maintain our reputation and customers expectations / trust.
alfietopshelfie wrote: Any group buy for the Ottawa area?
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Who so ever you end up hiring, please make sure that you insist on getting OEM A coil and just not matching coil on any pretext. Third party coils tend to provide lesser air flow and copper coils rust over period of time resulting premature failure / leaks
Here is the comparison between matching coil and OEM coil


alfietopshelfie wrote: Any group buy for the Ottawa area?
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Just wanted to give my review of Ash. Back in January my furnace died. Carrier 22 years old furnace. I called a couple of different companies but he was the one that answered all my questions. Everything was completed as promised. It been two months now. No issues.
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newlyborn wrote: Who so ever you end up hiring, please make sure that you insist on getting OEM A coil and just not matching coil on any pretext. Third party coils tend to provide lesser air flow and copper coils rust over period of time resulting premature failure / leaks
Here is the comparison between matching coil and OEM coil
Thank you sir. Do you have any thoughts on heat pumps in a Northern climate? Both water to air and air to air. Looking at various options. Everything is currently on natural gas.
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Mainly a lurker here, but wanted to come on and share my experience with @newlyborn /Ash of Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning. Our 24-year-old Lennox furnace was on its last legs. It would cycle on for a few cycles and then give up, gurgle and turn off. Luckily it was during March Break and the weather was fairly mild, so we weren’t in a hurry to replace it and was able to do some research.

We decided to go with Fair Deal Heating & AC after speaking to Ash. He was easy to talk to, never once pushed us to buy this or that and was extremely patient with answering all of our questions. He was upfront about the process and that his team would have to cut two holes in the basement ceiling (due to how the previous owners had renovated the ceiling) to access and upgrade the vent pipes.

Ash is definitely knowledgeable about all things HVAC and I think he can go hours upon hours on this subject. His response time when we messaged him with more questions was quick.
He was also very good with communicating his ETA for his visit and his team’s ETA when it was time for the installation.

The installation process went smoothly. His team was professional, respectful and clean (they put floor runners from the front door to the basement, they even took off their shoes walking through the living room to the backyard - we live in a townhouse - to upgrade the vent pipe).
They also answered any questions we had at the end of the installation process and walked me through the new filter, how to open the furnace cover, etc.

We had a really old thermostat and wanted to upgrade to a smart tstat. Ash provided us with advice and that we would require a PEK for installation. We bought an Ecobee that came with a PEK, which his team installed for us and it works great.

We had a terrific experience with Ash and his team and would definitely recommend him to our friends and family. Thank you for keeping homes warm in this up and down Spring GTA weather.
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I am in no way expert on heat pumps. I know that they never gained popularity until recently when rebates were offered. In colder weather , heat pumps are unable to maintain the warm temperature ( so I have been told ).
Not only the parts are more expensive, technicians are handful unlike for forced air furnaces. If given a choice, I would not do heat pump in my own home for heating atleast.
alfietopshelfie wrote: Thank you sir. Do you have any thoughts on heat pumps in a Northern climate? Both water to air and air to air. Looking at various options. Everything is currently on natural gas.
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Ash/newlyborn has helped me replaced my hot water tank with a new tankless Rinnai burner. Ash is very patient with me when I was inquiring and gave me a very good price. His crew came installed it yesterday and when they realized the control board is faulty he managed to chase down the replacement part and had technician came to fix it this afternoon. Despite the little glitch from the Rinnai, the whole process with him and his team is very pleasant. Cannot recommend him more.
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Ash from Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning helped me with installing a Lennox Elite; and everything was done very professionally. With high efficiency furnaces, they now have to be exhausted out the wall. Ash and his crew drilled the holes in the wall, installed the exhaust pipes and cleaned up everything after the install. Ash was very patient with all my questions, and even walked me through repairing a humidifier. All in all I couldn't be happier with their service.
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Ash & the crew at Fair Deal Heating were great. Very happy with our furnace replacement because our old one was on it's 18th year being quite loud when turned on. The crew showed up on time, and even cleaned liquid dirt residue from the old furnace, cleaned up everything and tested thoroughly afterwards. Oh, and the crew fixed our output pipes properly! Would definitely recommend family or friends in the future.
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Getting my 2.5 Ton Lennox AC Unit installed this weekend for $2750 ... All hoses swapped out as well as the condenser.
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@newlyborn saw the group buy thread, but there are only AC there (I think?), ... is there a separate one for Furnace?

And by any chance, is there group buy for tankless water heater?
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Unfortunately, there is only one thread. I will be more than happy to provide you with fair pricing if you are strictly looking only for a furnace or tank / tankless.
RFDMadeMeBuyStuff wrote: @newlyborn saw the group buy thread, but there are only AC there (I think?), ... is there a separate one for Furnace?

And by any chance, is there group buy for tankless water heater?
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BTW if Tagaki is of any interest to you, I may be able to help secure it at a good price ( provided still available at my supplier who offered a deal on the last one as they switched their supplier to Rinnai now)
RFDMadeMeBuyStuff wrote: @newlyborn saw the group buy thread, but there are only AC there (I think?), ... is there a separate one for Furnace?

And by any chance, is there group buy for tankless water heater?
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Just chiming in to thank RFDers for this thread and recommendations. Our furnace and water heater were both in poor shape and at risk of failure. We shopped through some of the suggestions on this and other forums and just found the process frustrating given an industry that's not the most transparent.

We contacted @newlyborn from Fair Deal Heating & Air Conditioning per recommendations here who set us up with an Armstrong furnace and Rinnai tankless water heater. We are a bit obsessive with due diligence so it was great to work with Ash, who responded to our constant supply of questions despite it being a busy time. By comparison we found it hard to stay in contact with HVAC providers we engaged with earlier in the process, who despite good reviews couldn't give us the technical comfort we needed on a big purchase like this. We scrutinized every technical document, product specs, venting guidance and even code/by-laws. The communication and transparency is just so important in a situation like this, as I'm sure others participating in water heater threads are finding.

So for some quick reviews:
- Ash's team is just amazingly professional. We had some good chats with them as they worked through the day. They made multiple quality of life adjustments adjustments to our setup beyond the core installation and venting upgrades. Things like raising the venting and moving around quirky lines/fixtures/random blocks of wood we had taken for granted as "just the way it is" for 10 years to make more space.
- The Rinnai 199 is just fantastic. We had forgotten what it was like to really have super hot water available, and our kids can take unnecessarily long hot showers (in separate bathrooms simultaneously) without complaints.
- Moving from an old 1-stage to a new 2-stage furnace feels a lot more efficient and on recent cold days we found the temperature much more stable than we were used to. Look forward to seeing how it works next winter.

And some tips for those still looking:
- We found that youtube reviews/contractor advice is great for niche products like Rinnai, but general stuff was harder to find/trust. That said there's some great 101 stuff on what your needs are, maintenance, etc. that we found helpful. You really need to talk to professionals who can assess your layout and options. In our case we needed a high level of clarity on venting that Ash was able to provide.
- We bought out our 15 year old rental earlier this year for $100 (we've owned for 10). It's worth doing this assessment every year... we should have done it a few years ago, but probably not worthwhile earlier than that given that performance was still good until year 15.
- We're not expecting big efficiency savings from the Rinnai over a tank. Biggest win is the space savings in a small footprint basement.
- Measure your water temp, time from tap opening to hot water, etc. before you replace to gauge what you're used to and avoid disappointment.

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