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New Raspberry Pi 4 Released (Various Models) - $47-$75+

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New Raspberry Pi 4 Released (Various Models) - $47-$75+

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EDIT: July 9/2019 - Raspberry Pi admits to faulty USB-C design on the Pi 4

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07 ... -chargers/

Raspberry Pi 4 has a non-compliant USB-C charging port and doesn't work with as many chargers as it should. Make sure to use a non-e-marked cable, like the official Pi 4 charger. Similar issue effects many other devices like Nintendo switch.

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Raspberry Pi 4 is out now and on sale. This might be a hard deal to find, as is always the case with newly released Raspberry Pi.

The price varies a lot, depending on model. It's something like $47 to $75+ depending on how much RAM it has, plus shipping in many cases.

Some major changes are USB 3.0, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth 5.0, two display via micro HDMI, among others.

The following sellers will carry it, potentially others and you might be able to get from US as well.

https://www.buyapi.ca/product/raspberry ... aspberrypi
https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-4- ... aspberrypi

US, $55 USD for 4GB model:

https://chicagodist.com/products/raspbe ... aspberrypi
https://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/rpi ... p/02AH3164
https://www.pishop.us/raspberry-pi-foun ... ort=newest (not up yet)

Specs:
  • 1.5GHz 64-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A72 CPU (Broadcom 2711)
  • 1GB, 2GB or 4GB RAM (LPDDR4 SDRAM) versions
  • On-board wireless LAN - dual-band 802.11 b/g/n/ac
  • On-board Bluetooth 5.0 HS low-energy (BLE)
  • 2 x USB 2.0 ports
  • 2 x USB 3.0 ports
  • True Gigabit Ethernet
  • Extended 40-pin GPIO header
  • 2x micro HDMI, 4k video
  • 4 Pole stereo output and composite video port
  • MIPI Camera port (CSI)
  • MIPI Display port (DSI)
  • microSD format for loading OS & data storage
  • 5V/3A DC via USB type C connector
  • 5V DC via GPIO
  • PoE Enabled
  • Multimedia H.265 decode (4kp60), H.254 decode (1080p60), H.254 encode (1080p30), OpenGL ES 1.1, 2.0, 3.0 graphics

Some benchmarks here:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspb ... enchmarks/
https://blog.hackster.io/benchmarking-m ... 8db9304ce4
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ra ... ,6193.html

Here is a good chart to show off the changes between 3B+ & 4, taken from here.

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Before buying consider reading this write up on rpi4, it has a lot of useful and interesting information:
lead wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 11:37 pm
interesting read on new specs
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1560/ ... y_Pi_4.pdf
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Thanks OP, was looking to buy the raspberry 3 B+ so this is awesome that this released! :D Quite a pleasant surprise since they originally expected 2020 release!
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The 1GB version is a great candidate to make a cheap NAS. Gonna order one as soon as OpenMediaVault supports it.
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Note they’re not compatible with older RPi cases due to port arrangement and needs a 3A USB-C charger, so might want to order a kit if you need this stuff.
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Also worth mentioning the power consumption can be significantly higher, so for demanding tasks may need some type of cooling solution, perhaps a heatsink or even a fan? As far as I can tell Raspberry Pi 4 is built for performance this time more so than low power consumption. One of the reviews mentions thermal throttling during machine learning tasks and temperatures of 84 C & peak of 1430 mA. I wouldn't buy a case right away until you are confident that it won't overheat for whatever you are using it for.

I think it will be interesting what performance it will get in emulation/media (due to significantly better performance) & NAS since it finally has USB3 & Gigabit Ethernet.
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This is the high-spec rpi we were waiting for. Based on my experience though, skip the kits. Buy the raspberry pi you want, buy the OFFICIAL power supply, buy the case you want (I like FLIRC because the case IS the heatsink, whereas those free heatsinks that come with the kits don't do much), and buy a recommended SD card if you don't have one. Rpi is cheap, but don't cheap out on it, otherwise you might be looking at buying new stuff when your starter stuff eats shit. Also, note that this doesn't have regular HDMI ports anymore, so you can't use your HDMI cables and everyone is trying to sell you new cables. Buy your own dongle adapter.
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zentro wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 4:32 am
One of the reviews mentions thermal throttling during machine learning tasks and temperatures of 84 C & peak of 1430 mA. I wouldn't buy a case right away until you are confident that it won't overheat for whatever you are using it for.
Actually, the one disappointment for me is that they choose to stay too close to the original form factor and thus couldn't provide attachment points for a standard northbridge fan or even some other proprietary heatsink anchorage. So you have to super-glue on a heatsink or use that crappy thermal double-sided tape. Both methods are iffy at best and the super-glue trick is more or less irreversible.
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Loomy wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 4:43 am
Also, note that this doesn't have regular HDMI ports anymore, so you can't use your HDMI cables and everyone is trying to sell you new cables. But your own dongle adapter.
They are standard HDMI ports, just the micro size format. I don't recommend using the adapters as they put too much stress on the port. PrimeCables carries cheap micro-HDMI cables if needed:
https://www.primecables.ca/en/c-1006-hd ... &view=grid
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mouf wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 3:41 am
The 1GB version is a great candidate to make a cheap NAS. Gonna order one as soon as OpenMediaVault supports it.

at 47 bucks bare,
I think you are better off buying an "android tv box" and install android app that makes it a NAS instead.
"android tv box" comes with power cords and accessories right out of box and MORE RAM( 2+gb ) +16/32GB storage.


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althegreat wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 5:43 am
at 47 bucks bare,
I think you are better off buying an "android tv box" and install android app that makes it a NAS instead.
"android tv box" comes with power cords and accessories right out of box and MORE RAM( 2+gb ) +16/32GB storage.
Point me to a cheap one that has USB3.0, Gigabit Ethernet and a bus that can truly support those speed, and that can be loaded with a barebone linux distro - necessary for stability - to install OMV on it and I'll buy it. That's a unicorn right there. ;) Most of these Android box won't even boot headless.

Btw, you don't need more than a 1GB of RAM to run a NAS. I'm running OMV on an Orange Pi with 256MB of RAM right now + Pi-hole and RAM usage is at 26%.
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mouf wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 4:59 am
They are standard HDMI ports, just the micro size format. I don't recommend using the adapters as they put too much stress on the port. PrimeCables carries cheap micro-HDMI cables if needed:
https://www.primecables.ca/en/c-1006-hd ... &view=grid
How much FUD is this? Raspberry pi 4 was just announced, so reports of broken raspberry pis cannot possibly exist (yet). And they probably never will, because raspberry pis are very hardy and work lots of weird shit hanging off every side. And an adapter like those hdmi adapters is not weird shit, it's bog standard. IMO whoever told you that adapters put "too much stress" on the raspberry pi 4 micro hdmi port (how much is too much?) was just trying to sell cables. THAT SAID, the adapters aren't cheap either, so if you want a cheap cable, go ahead and buy a cheap cable. But if you've got a $50 4k cable, maybe then you buy a $13 4k adapter.

About the cases, this is the hottest raspberry pi ever, and the 3b+ already requires a more substantial cooling system than these kits provide, so DON'T buy this capability without a thermal plan, otherwise you're throwing frequency out the window because it will be throttling under high loads. No heatsink is sufficient for maximum performance unless it has a FAN or it is a solid aluminum case that acts as the heatsink. You can find these on amazon/ebay/etc and we'll see how compatible the current cases are with rpi4 when the product listing titles are updated. And there is nothing wrong with the thermal pads for what they are. It's more important to have a bigass heatsink than not have a thermal pad. And if you've got a fan, the thermal pad versus a thinner interface won't make a difference to the throttling, even if it does make a difference to the temperature.
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mouf wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 6:19 am
Point me to a cheap one that has USB3.0, Gigabit Ethernet and a bus that can truly support those speed, and that can be loaded with a barebone linux distro - necessary for stability - to install OMV on it and I'll buy it. That's a unicorn right there. ;) Most of these Android box won't even boot headless.

Btw, you don't need more than a 1GB of RAM to run a NAS. I'm running OMV on an Orange Pi with 256MB of RAM right now + Pi-hole and RAM usage is at 26%.
And doesnt have insane backdoors in it. Have you ever hooked an android box up and watched the DNS queries? Yeah no thanks haha.
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I'm out of the loop on current android tv boxes but I have a suspicion that you wouldn't want one as a NAS, especially if it's cheaper than a raspberry pi (even with the peripherals). Correct me if I am wrong, as I'm not finding much on the topic via searching.
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wildlele wrote:
Jun 24th, 2019 6:28 am
And doesnt have insane backdoors in it. Have you ever hooked an android box up and watched the DNS queries? Yeah no thanks haha.
Yeah, try the same thing with your phone ... your daily driver is phoning home in all kinds of ways.

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