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[Newegg Canada] G.SKILL Trident Z Neo 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600 CL16 @ $204.99

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G.SKILL Trident Z Neo 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600 CL16 @ $204.99

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If you want RGB goodness and are looking to get the most bang for buck out of your RAM for Ryzen 3000, this kit is for you.

3600, CL16, fire and forget (or possibly tweak for slightly tighter timings or higher speeds).

I've been eyeing this kit for the last few weeks as I've been unwilling to pay Samsung B-Die premium and it's dropped about $26 with the current sale so I've taken the plunge.

Previously recommended 32GB DDR4 3600 kits were selling for cheaper but were CL19 so you're getting better timings and RGB.
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Bought these at 209.99$, but the "3600, CL16, fire and forget" comment is not true at all. That's what i thought as well but it's not guaranteed you'll get that, it will depends on your motherboard.
I could not boot at 3600 on my Gigabyte x570 pro wifi (a 350$mb) using the XMP profile. I had to manual set the timing and settle for 3200, It could probably do a bit faster but I don't really have time to waste on tweaking timings. If you do some google'ing you'll see that this issue comes up a lot.

I found out afterwards that my motherboard doesn't even have that stick, in fact, it barely have any 16gb stick, on their supported memory list.
https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/ ... sse_v2.pdf

TLDR: Make sure the ram is on the support memory list of your MB.
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Web4Life wrote: Bought these at 209.99$, but the "3600, CL16, fire and forget" comment is not true at all. That's what i thought as well but it's not guaranteed you'll get that, it will depends on your motherboard.
I could not boot at 3600 on my Gigabyte x570 pro wifi (a 350$mb) using the XMP profile. I had to manual set the timing and settle for 3200, It could probably do a bit faster but I don't really have time to waste on tweaking timings. If you do some google'ing you'll see that this issue comes up a lot.
i've got the 3200 part and I feel your pain. it's gotten rock solid with bios updates over the past year or so but it was hell for the first 12 months at least. it's the only reason I haven't dumped them and gotten 3600 or 3800 but I do want that higher infinity.
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Even with all the bios updates my ryzen systems still have memory issues some times.

Both my Corsair kits dont hit the xmp, so i underclock them and lower the timings. However my micron ballistic kit overlooks like a damn from 3000 to 3733.

Funny stuff
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Try DRAM Calculator for Ryzen v1.6.2 if you want to tune the timing.
OP's kit uses Hynix CJR die. (16-19-19-39)

I have Crucial Ballistix Sport LT BLS2K16G4D32AESC 3200. It can overclock to 3733 @1.4v easily. (Micron E-die)
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Web4Life wrote: Bought these at 209.99$, but the "3600, CL16, fire and forget" comment is not true at all. That's what i thought as well but it's not guaranteed you'll get that, it will depends on your motherboard.
I could not boot at 3600 on my Gigabyte x570 pro wifi (a 350$mb) using the XMP profile. I had to manual set the timing and settle for 3200, It could probably do a bit faster but I don't really have time to waste on tweaking timings. If you do some google'ing you'll see that this issue comes up a lot.

I found out afterwards that my motherboard doesn't even have that stick, in fact, it barely have any 16gb stick, on their supported memory list.
https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/ ... sse_v2.pdf

TLDR: Make sure the ram is on the support memory list of your MB.
belowzeros wrote: i've got the 3200 part and I feel your pain. it's gotten rock solid with bios updates over the past year or so but it was hell for the first 12 months at least. it's the only reason I haven't dumped them and gotten 3600 or 3800 but I do want that higher infinity.
That's insane. Could this be due to silicon lottery of either RAM or motherboard? Being dual-rank memory, you should be able to achieve pretty good results with your 2x16GB kit without much tweaking, compatibility aside. Did you turn on "Gear Down Mode?"

I have a 2x8GB Trident Z kit 3600 CL18 (It's Hynix CJR) running with no errors @ 3800 CL16 1:1 FCLK @ 1.37V (reports 1.4V though for some reason) on an Aorus Elite X570.

My real question is what real-world difference this actually makes though. Benchmarks wise, I now get almost 54GB/s throughput and 67.5ns latency versus 50GB/s and 70ns but this hasn't resulted in any real gains to FPS when I benchmarked. Also, looking at dual-rank performance, you should be able to beat these throughput and latency numbers without tweaking anything at the same frequency and timings.

Also for consideration: https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288- ... 6820232748

This 3200 CL16 RAM should perform the same as 3600 CL18 RAM. Should not be too hard to get it to run at 3600 CL16 unless you have issues like the above poster.
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lhsonic wrote: That's insane. Could this be due to silicon lottery of either RAM or motherboard? Being dual-rank memory, you should be able to achieve pretty good results with your 2x16GB kit without much tweaking, compatibility aside. Did you turn on "Gear Down Mode?"

I have a 2x8GB Trident Z kit 3600 CL18 (It's Hynix CJR) running with no errors @ 3800 CL16 1:1 FCLK @ 1.37V (reports 1.4V though for some reason) on an Aorus Elite X570.

My real question is what real-world difference this actually makes though. Benchmarks wise, I now get almost 54GB/s throughput and 67.5ns latency versus 50GB/s and 70ns but this hasn't resulted in any real gains to FPS when I benchmarked. Also, looking at dual-rank performance, you should be able to beat these throughput and latency numbers without tweaking anything at the same frequency and timings.

Also for consideration: https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288- ... 6820232748

This 3200 CL16 RAM should perform the same as 3600 CL18 RAM. Should not be too hard to get it to run at 3600 CL16 unless you have issues like the above poster.
I have tried manually setting the timings for 3600 using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator but I don't remember if it they had gear down enabled or not.
My stick are Hynix but I don't think it have to do with the silicon lottery because I don't understand why they would advertise 3600mhz if it's not able to do it regardless of the die or the silicon lottery of it, that would be false advertising.
One thing I did not mention is that I'm using the stick in 1-3 configuration and should maybe try 2-4 to see if it works better. With that said, I don't really care because I plan upgrade to 64gb in the future.

From what I've learned 8gb and 16gb will be very different and can't be compared on how one will perform relatively to the other. The more ram you have, the harder it will to have better timings it seems.
I've always used 8gb so I assumed 8gb, 16gb, w/e amount would work the same.
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Web4Life wrote: I have tried manually setting the timings for 3600 using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator but I don't remember if it they had gear down enabled or not.
My stick are Hynix but I don't think it have to do with the silicon lottery because I don't understand why they would advertise 3600mhz if it's not able to do it regardless of the die or the silicon lottery of it, that would be false advertising.
The memory can likely run at 3600MHz with no problem but Ryzen is quite picky overall. Also, RAM is often validated to only run at a certain speed on certain motherboards; especislly faster speeds like 3600MHz. It is up to the consumer to ensure it is compatible with their motherboard / platform.
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One thing people don't realize the memory controller is in the chip so the ryzen 2000 series or zen+ only support up to 2600 anything beyond that consider that lucky and the motherboards reflect those numbers. Unless you have zen2 3000 series chip and one of the newer x470/b450 revisions chances are you wont be hitting 3600mhz. x570 mobo the path is clear.
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traktion wrote: One thing people don't realize the memory controller is in the chip so the ryzen 2000 series or zen+ only support up to 2600 anything beyond that consider that lucky and the motherboards reflect those numbers. Unless you have zen2 3000 series chip and one of the newer x470/b450 revisions chances are you wont be hitting 3600mhz. x570 mobo the path is clear.
Exactly. It's not the memory sticks that are often the issue here, and they will work at their rated speed with compatible gear. Nothing false advertising-related here.
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I run this with an Aorus Master x570 and Ryzen 3600. No issues at 3600 here with XMP. Overclocking results in errors though, but haven't tweaked timings.
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Probably best deal on 3600 CL16 16GB sticks right now, which is what I wanted for my build. Thanks OP, purchased.
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Web4Life wrote: Bought these at 209.99$, but the "3600, CL16, fire and forget" comment is not true at all. That's what i thought as well but it's not guaranteed you'll get that, it will depends on your motherboard.
I could not boot at 3600 on my Gigabyte x570 pro wifi (a 350$mb) using the XMP profile. I had to manual set the timing and settle for 3200, It could probably do a bit faster but I don't really have time to waste on tweaking timings. If you do some google'ing you'll see that this issue comes up a lot.

I found out afterwards that my motherboard doesn't even have that stick, in fact, it barely have any 16gb stick, on their supported memory list.
https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/ ... sse_v2.pdf

TLDR: Make sure the ram is on the support memory list of your MB.
While the qvl list is a good place to start to get an idea of what may be supported, it does not have to be followed exactly if not only for the reason that it is rarely, if ever, updated as new sticks come out.
My 3200cl14 flare x 2x16gb kit isnt on the x470-f qvl but the 2x8 are. I am running thr 2x16s at 3600, slightly relqxed 16-15-15-35 at the moment and will tweak tighter. zero stability issues.
qvl is not the holy doctrine of support, but heed it wisely-ish.

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