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joeyjoejoe wrote: Going back to the SB... There really wasn't much the 49ers could do to stop that Chief offense late in the game. The Chiefs switched to no huddle and the 49er D was gassed out. Maybe taking a timeout to sub in fresh bodies could have helped? They had all the momentum after the interception in the 4th, but too much reliance on the pass game late.
That's Kyle Shanahan in a nutshell for ya. The biggest choke artist in modern era pro football. Yeah, calling a timeout then may have shifted momentum a bit as Mahomes was just looking to get the offense rolling play after play. He definitely should have called one before the half to try to add on some more needed points. John Lynch looked befuddled from the booth as to why they didn't call a timeout then.
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Strafe1 wrote: That's Kyle Shanahan in a nutshell for ya. The biggest choke artist in modern era pro football. Yeah, calling a timeout then may have shifted momentum a bit as Mahomes was just looking to get the offense rolling play after play. He definitely should have called one before the half to try to add on some more needed points. John Lynch looked befuddled from the booth as to why they didn't call a timeout then.
Maybe he wanted to save them for the 2nd half? LOL.
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tranquility922 wrote: Heard of a kid named Mahomes? Lol. That's good you're reasonable but I distinctly remember some real 'homers'? who really thought the Pats came back solely by their sheer effort or D forcing the Falcons into bad plays.
It defies logic for any team be it Brady/Belichick Pats, Montana/Walsh 49ers, whoever to come back at that point of a game from that much of a margin where defenses are displayed to show why they win championships. The Pats only won because Shanahan quit on the Falcons for whatever reason that is just unthinkable. Run a couple of safe carries by their running backs to position Bryant in a clear chip shot to put them up by 2 scores with a couple minutes to go. Pats would have needed to score, recover an onside kick, score again, plus convert a 2 point conversion try after that just to tie the Falcons within that time space. The chances against that would have been nearly 100% if they just followed that very simple plan to do so. They literally had the Lombardi Trophy in their hands and decided "Nah". There was no excuse or explanation that Shanahan could have to explain himself for that itself.
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tranquility922 wrote: Maybe he wanted to save them for the 2nd half? LOL.
Yeah, too bad things don't work like that in NFL football rules Hahaha

What was this guy thinking trying to play conservative to go into half time with a tie against a high fire power offense in the Chiefs that's shown to get going in the second half of games all year like they did coming back from 24 down against the Texans and down 10 against the Titans in their other playoff games heading into this one.
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Strafe1 wrote: Yeah, too bad things don't work like that in NFL football rules Hahaha

What was this guy thinking trying to play conservative to go into half time with a tie against a high fire power offense in the Chiefs that's shown to get going in the second half of games all year like they did coming back from 24 down against the Texans and down 10 against the Titans in their other playoff games heading into this one.
Dude, I was joking, I know the basics lol.

Reminds me of that Baltimore Orioles mgr saving his closer only for save situations lol.

No idea why they didn't go for a score attempt or a FG w/ dying seconds before halftime. So conservative. HORRIBLE coaching.
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tranquility922 wrote: Dude, I was joking, I know the basics lol.

Reminds me of that Baltimore Orioles mgr saving his closer only for save situations lol.

No idea why they didn't go for a score attempt or a FG w/ dying seconds before halftime. So conservative. HORRIBLE coaching.
I know. I was just adding to that the guy wasn't even looking to use a timeout late in the game with Mahomes and co. rolling. 2 things Shanahan just doesn't do: run the ball and call timeouts when needed! Smiling Face With Open Mouth And Smiling Eyes
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Strafe1 wrote: That's Kyle Shanahan in a nutshell for ya. The biggest choke artist in modern era pro football. Yeah, calling a timeout then may have shifted momentum a bit as Mahomes was just looking to get the offense rolling play after play. He definitely should have called one before the half to try to add on some more needed points. John Lynch looked befuddled from the booth as to why they didn't call a timeout then.
No faith in Jimmy G.
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joeyjoejoe wrote: No faith in Jimmy G.
They had their running game with Mostert averaging that many ypc. With the timeouts, they could have tacked on at least another 3 by half. In the 4th up by 10, all they needed was one or two 1st down conversions to pretty much seal the game. Instead of running at least twice per series they had the ball at that point, of course Shanahan was going to call more passing plays to stop the clock whenever Garoppolo was missing his targets. Shanahan playbook 101 that we were introduced from the Falcons Superbowl.
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Another damning article. I don't care how supposedly good Kyle is as coach, what's the pt if it only means heartache, getting so close, about to win it, only to choke it all up? I really question the guy's sports IQ. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets fired but unfortunately that's unlikely for whatever reason. These are unforgivable sins and I'm not even a fan of either victimized teams.

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tranquility922 wrote: Another damning article. I don't care how supposedly good Kyle is as coach, what's the pt if it only means heartache, getting so close, about to win it, only to choke it all up? I really question the guy's sports IQ. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets fired but unfortunately that's unlikely for whatever reason. These are unforgivable sins and I'm not even a fan of either victimized teams.

https://www.onlinegambling.com/news/kyl ... own-2/amp/
I agree though after coaching a team that was abysmal since Harbaugh left to take them back to the promised land this year, he'll probably get at least 2 years for Lynch to see if he needs to be replaced or not. Though from the looks of Lynch during all of the mishaps in this Superbowl, he was probably already questioning making this guy HC. https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-joh ... 09956.html

These two Superbowls he's wrecked were painful to have to watch whether as a fan of any of those teams or just as a football fan in general. Right up there with heartbreak after heartbreak of having to see the Bills those 4 straight years back in the early 90s. Along with all the Saints and Colts teams of the past 20 years that only got Peyton and Drew one Superbowl win with those teams. Already 10 years since the Saints won it. They fell short the last 2 years when they had the best chance to get Brees another Superbowl before he retires to further cement his legacy. Hopefully he can go out like Peyton, Ray Lewis and Elway did, winning one more and calling it a career.
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Strafe1 wrote: I agree though after coaching a team that was abysmal since Harbaugh left to take them back to the promised land this year, he'll probably get at least 2 years for Lynch to see if he needs to be replaced or not. Though from the looks of Lynch during all of the mishaps in this Superbowl, he was probably already questioning making this guy HC. https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-joh ... 09956.html

These two Superbowls he's wrecked were painful to have to watch whether as a fan of any of those teams or just as a football fan in general. Right up there with heartbreak after heartbreak of having to see the Bills those 4 straight years back in the early 90s. Along with all the Saints and Colts teams of the past 20 years that only got Peyton and Drew one Superbowl win with those teams. Already 10 years since the Saints won it. They fell short the last 2 years when they had the best chance to get Brees another Superbowl before he retires to further cement his legacy. Hopefully he can go out like Peyton, Ray Lewis and Elway did, winning one more and calling it a career.
Lynch didn't hire Shanahan. Shanahan was hired first and helped pick Lynch as the GM. Technically Lynch signed first with the 49ers, but that was because Shanahan couldn't sign a contract until after the... ahem... Falcons/Patriots SB.

Also I don't think Lynch has the power to fire Shanahan. Contractually, Lynch had power of the general roster (mostly off season), but Shanahan has power to over who dresses for each game. Yet they both can veto each others decisions. They are basically equals in the organization. If anyone gets fired, it'll come from the owner Jed York.
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Like Strafe1 said, he may have screwed up twice in 2 SBs, but IMHO, he isn't going anywhere. The 49ers were 4-12 last season. He has earned the chance to learn from this.

Look at how long Andy Reid had the narrative of being a great coach but coming up short in a big game. Of course, one could counter-argue that Mahomes had more of an impact in changing that story. :)
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I just saw Tim Hasselbeck's breakdown on NFL Liv, the last few drives 49ers had in the 4th quarter. I agree Kyle should've stuck with the run like with the Falcons/Patriots but I think the blame this time goes more to Porn Star Jimmy.

This is why he's more of a game manager. He's not a leader like Mahomes, just doesn't have the dive to win, the intelligence nor the skills.
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That 44 yard pass to the wide open Hill on 3rd and 15 was the turning point.
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bembol wrote: I just saw Tim Hasselbeck's breakdown on NFL Liv, the last few drives 49ers had in the 4th quarter. I agree Kyle should've stuck with the run like with the Falcons/Patriots but I think the blame this time goes more to Porn Star Jimmy.

This is why he's more of a game manager. He's not a leader like Mahomes, just doesn't have the dive to win, the intelligence nor the skills.
Dont know what other QB options the Niners will have, so they will have to stick with Jimmy G. They should change their game planning next year to include more of a passing game, so when needed they can switch gears more easily.

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