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Oil at $110 and Canadian dollar not moving

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Oil at $110 and Canadian dollar not moving

I have never experienced this. CDN basically flat. This looks very bullish for real estate and very bullish for Alberta.
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I've noticed that. I think it's the inflation keeping it low. Too much money printing. Let's see when the oil hits 150 a barrel.

When the feds start increasing rates Cad should move higher...we are in uncharted territory.
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BiegeToyota wrote: I have never experienced this. CDN basically flat. This looks very bullish for real estate and very bullish for Alberta.
Fear trade, flight to "quality" ie) the USD when there is world turmoil. It will likely adjust whenever predictability is normalized...and the VIX isn't threatening the year high.

No judgement on the consequences good or bad on RE, but most analysts have/had the CAD/USD ending the year around 1.15 with gas about 85 a barrel, and 5 interest hikes on the table for 2022.
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BiegeToyota wrote: very bullish for Alberta.
Alberta real estate is already soaring in price, just adding fuel to the fire. A lot of $$$ shifting back to Alberta after having abandoned it for the last 10+ years. Almost cyclical.
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CAD might move. Traders might be thinking this oil rally is temporary so they aren't pricing it in?
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Because everyone is flocking to USD. If it wasn't for oil CAD would be down.
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adamtheman wrote: Alberta real estate is already soaring in price, just adding fuel to the fire. A lot of $$$ shifting back to Alberta after having abandoned it for the last 10+ years. Almost cyclical.
Depends, money is shifting back in housing but the gains have been modest compared to the rest of Canada.

Historically the big wealth creation in Alberta came from the superprojects up North with massive capital spends. Those have not and likely will not return. This "boom" will not be like the ones before it.
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StatikIEV wrote: Fear trade, flight to "quality" ie) the USD when there is world turmoil. It will likely adjust whenever predictability is normalized...and the VIX isn't threatening the year high.

No judgement on the consequences good or bad on RE, but most analysts have/had the CAD/USD ending the year around 1.15 with gas about 85 a barrel, and 5 interest hikes on the table for 2022.
Very much agree with this take...it's all about the demand for US currency is very high given the turmoil in Europe - on top of pandemic related issues and the expectation they're going to raise rates as well.
The fact that we raised rates today and it also had little impact on the CAD dollar is also telling. It's rate differential to the US and oil that traditional move our currency...the only reason it's not rising is because people are hiding in safe haven currencies/markets.
Without those things we're probably an 82-83c dollar already...and rising.

I don't think the dollar is impacting RE prices (in Alberta or elsewhere) tbh...at least not yet - the lag period for that effect is many months down the road.
The fact that we're raising rates today and it's having nearly no impact on the dollar is concerning - to some degree we also need a rising currency to get inflation under control...the fact it didn't move the needle, might force even more aggressive rate increases and THAT will impact RE prices.
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asbraich wrote: Depends, money is shifting back in housing but the gains have been modest compared to the rest of Canada.
Agreed, and this is a positive for Alberta going forward, wouldn't you say? Past underperformance could meet future overperformance. Historically speaking it's not unlikely to be true.
Historically the big wealth creation in Alberta came from the superprojects up North with massive capital spends. Those have not and likely will not return. This "boom" will not be like the ones before it.
Agreed. The big wealth creation this time will come from the rewards being reaped from all that massive capital spending up north. Alberta could post huge surpluses with oil over $100 a barrel and that money will be reinvested in Alberta. If not in oil/gas, then in other sectors. Maybe renewable energy or maybe lithium or whatever. Either way, investments in the province = jobs = economic growth.
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adamtheman wrote: Agreed, and this is a positive for Alberta going forward, wouldn't you say? Past underperformance could meet future overperformance. Historically speaking it's not unlikely to be true.
Why is this a good thing?

In a non-moronic economy you would actually want the housing to be as cheap as possible and instead have money invested in things that increase productivity and efficiency. Not an economy composed entirely of the useless and unproductive asset that is housing changing hands every 6 months for higher and higher prices.

Everyone's housing price going up by 20% doesn't really change anything except your wealth on paper, unless you are a landlord, planning on downsizing, or moving to a low CoL country; all it does is screw over FTBs and hinder real economic growth.
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BatCountry wrote: Very much agree with this take...it's all about the demand for US currency is very high given the turmoil in Europe - on top of pandemic related issues and the expectation they're going to raise rates as well.
The fact that we raised rates today and it also had little impact on the CAD dollar is also telling. It's rate differential to the US and oil that traditional move our currency...the only reason it's not rising is because people are hiding in safe haven currencies/markets.
Without those things we're probably an 82-83c dollar already...and rising.

I don't think the dollar is impacting RE prices (in Alberta or elsewhere) tbh...at least not yet - the lag period for that effect is many months down the road.
The fact that we're raising rates today and it's having nearly no impact on the dollar is concerning - to some degree we also need a rising currency to get inflation under control...the fact it didn't move the needle, might force even more aggressive rate increases and THAT will impact RE prices.
Was weird it didn't move immediately in the first hour or so, maybe too many distractions, but seems to have adjusted the last couple hours ...stronger by 62 cents (79.12 at time of post)

With that said, can change on a dime, so day to day can mean nothing, but I think we are seeing the underlining trend line establishing itself though.

Sidenote/disclaimer: was about 70:30 usd to cad entering December, went 50:50 in early December when the US fed got rid of the word transitory on inflation, then went 20:80 usd to cad when the war broke out and we went down to about 77.5.

Edits: dang formatting on mobile and update, lol
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Medellin wrote: Because everyone is flocking to USD. If it wasn't for oil CAD would be down.
Last time when oil was above $100 the CAD was above USD.
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divx wrote: Last time when oil was above $100 the CAD was above USD.
That was also when the housing bubble bursted and investor lost confidence in the US financial systems and other G7 countries were envious of our fiscal situation and banking system.
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It's not just oil, a lot of the resources we export are very high like aluminum for instance. I don't think people realize how massive Canada is for global mining exports. We are 3-5th provider for many minerals like copper, cobalt, aluminum, natural gas etc.
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sircheersa wrote: It's not just oil, a lot of the resources we export are very high like aluminum for instance. I don't think people realize how massive Canada is for global mining exports. We are 3-5th provider for many minerals like copper, cobalt, aluminum, natural gas etc.
If not for certain government faction, we would be extracting them more.
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asbraich wrote: Why is this a good thing?

In a non-moronic economy you would actually want the housing to be as cheap as possible and instead have money invested in things that increase productivity and efficiency. Not an economy composed entirely of the useless and unproductive asset that is housing changing hands every 6 months for higher and higher prices.

Everyone's housing price going up by 20% doesn't really change anything except your wealth on paper, unless you are a landlord, planning on downsizing, or moving to a low CoL country; all it does is screw over FTBs and hinder real economic growth.
It's a positive thing for Alberta homeowners to have their house prices move up in unison with other homes across the country. If a house was $300k in Calgary and $600k in Vancouver in 2010, it is healthy to expect that 2:1 ratio would be maintained. However, that is not what has happened. Alberta has fallen beyond. I see nothing wrong with playing catchup. Otherwise people will lose the freedom of mobility in the country which is an important part of being Canadian and belonging to a country.
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It’s a lack of confidence in who’s running Canada. That’s what it boils down to.
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divx wrote: Last time when oil was above $100 the CAD was above USD.
With inflation that would be the equivalent of $120.

We’re only at the equivalent of around $85 right now compared to the last run.
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Andy34 wrote: With inflation that would be the equivalent of $120.
We’re only at the equivalent of around $85 right now compared to the last run.
Then we need the oil price to go higher.
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Andy34 wrote: With inflation that would be the equivalent of $120.

We’re only at the equivalent of around $85 right now compared to the last run.
3 days later and oil is at $125 as of this posting. Honestly this is like Alberta winning the lottery.

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