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Old corolla - vibrates at idle?

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Old corolla - vibrates at idle?

Hey guys, I have a 15 year old corolla that I just bought. It drives pretty good however if I had to nitpick something it vibrates at idle.

Is that normal? How can I fix it?

Thanks
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Is the idle stay at a stable RPM figure? I suspect motor mounts are shot but that's only if the idle RPM figure is solid.
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Remove the serp belt and see if it continues. If it's not a pulley or similar, motor mounts would be a good bet like mentioned above.
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mxthor3 wrote: Remove the serp belt and see if it continues. If it's not a pulley or similar, motor mounts would be a good bet like mentioned above.
Good idea. Just don't run it too long without the belt... :facepalm:

Best test for shot motor mounts is to stand looking at the engine with the car off and have a partner start it up. If it lurches at first crank and then settles down to a rough vibration, it's absolutely the motor mounts
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Thanks guy. I’m not too mechanically inclined so I was wondering how much it would cost at a mechanic?

I only plan on keeping this car short term so I guess it’s not big deal
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For a car that age, it could be spark plugs and ignition coils, assuming they are original.
Had the same issue in both Civic and BMW and the replacement resolved that on both cars.
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mtmp4k wrote: Thanks guy. I’m not too mechanically inclined so I was wondering how much it would cost at a mechanic?

I only plan on keeping this car short term so I guess it’s not big deal
IDK. If it's motor mounts, the parts themselves for your car are very cheap (like under $20) and the labour on my car is a couple of hours (I've done mine myself) but it does require tools and skills.
FastFret wrote: For a car that age, it could be spark plugs and ignition coils, assuming they are original.
Had the same issue in both Civic and BMW and the replacement resolved that on both cars.
Could be. The OP didn't mention the mileage and doesn't seem to own a scanner.

Of course, descriptions of these things are often imperfect: having a vibration at idle is different than the engine running rough at idle but if it was running rough, it would also be vibrating. It's why I asked the OP if the RPM were stable - if the revs are stable at idle, it's not the coils/plugs.
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CaptSmethwick wrote: Is the idle stay at a stable RPM figure? I suspect motor mounts are shot but that's only if the idle RPM figure is solid.
Yes car stays at stable rpm at idle and is at 205000km
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mtmp4k wrote: Yes car stays at stable rpm at idle and is at 205000km
15 years and 205k kms = motor mounts are shot. I don't know what year and engine yours is but for 2003-2008 with the 1.8L and they are $80-160 at RockAuto. The kits include four mounts - while it's possible that only one of yours is bad, the age and mileage suggests that all four would be advised and you will definitely notice a difference after the job is done (again, if this is the problem). Install on these engines can't be too difficult. But if your engine is vibrating, it will shorten the life of your exhaust system and could cause you other problems down the road - so do it.

My observation on car maintenance is that motor/transmission mounts, shocks, springs and bushings are things that the vast majority of car owners either never change or let go for way too long. These things deteriorate so gradually that owners don't really notice. I can't tell you how many used cars I've test piloted recently where I had to tell the sales rep that I wasn't interested because the car would require $000s very soon as the previous owner had not done what they should have. They just shrug - they know that the vast majority of car buyers don't notice these things.
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On "cold" engine ?
Sometimes my car is trying to lower the rpm to soon when is cold (when I stop on red light)
It's ok when is warm
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I am leaning towards motor mounts too. Considering age and mileage.
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If not motor mounts, there could be some carbon buildup in the engine. I would try the following:

- Get 2 cans of Seafoam High Mileage Motor Treatment: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/sea- ... 7809p.html
- put 1/2 the can into the engine oil crankcase
- put the 1.5 can into the fuel tank when your gas level is around 1/4 and then fill up the tank
- drive the vehicle till the tank is empty
- get an oil change done to remote any crap in the engine.

I have done this on my Camry and the engine is as smooth as can be. I have repeated this a couple times (once a year) and monitor the oil colour and change it if it gets very dark.

Other things you can do:
- Clean the Mass Airflow Sensor using this: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/crc- ... 1704p.html
- Clean the throttle body as I am sure it will be very dirty after 200K
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hightech wrote: If not motor mounts, there could be some carbon buildup in the engine. I would try the following:

- Get 2 cans of Seafoam High Mileage Motor Treatment: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/sea- ... 7809p.html
- put 1/2 the can into the engine oil crankcase
- put the 1.5 can into the fuel tank when your gas level is around 1/4 and then fill up the tank
- drive the vehicle till the tank is empty
- get an oil change done to remote any crap in the engine.

I have done this on my Camry and the engine is as smooth as can be. I have repeated this a couple times (once a year) and monitor the oil colour and change it if it gets very dark.

Other things you can do:
- Clean the Mass Airflow Sensor using this: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/crc- ... 1704p.html
- Clean the throttle body as I am sure it will be very dirty after 200K
I like your recommendation - very thorough. The only thing I would add caution to is the use of Seafoam in the crankcase - just in case it dissolves gunk that's plugging a cracked valve cover gasket (for example). A Corolla I worked on some time ago had gaskets that were quite brittle and were slightly cracked to the point that they were seeping oil. We don't know how well maintained this engine is but I know that I routinely inspect gaskets when a car passes 160k kms and I almost always find something that needs to be replaced.
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CaptSmethwick wrote: I like your recommendation - very thorough. The only thing I would add caution to is the use of Seafoam in the crankcase - just in case it dissolves gunk that's plugging a cracked valve cover gasket (for example). A Corolla I worked on some time ago had gaskets that were quite brittle and were slightly cracked to the point that they were seeping oil. We don't know how well maintained this engine is but I know that I routinely inspect gaskets when the car passes 160k kms and I almost always find something that needs to be replaced.
That is a very good point. In my case, I bought the vehicle brand new in Nov 2011 and it has 205K on it now. I know the service history and have no leaks or anything going on. I don't plan on doing seafoam in the oil crankcase anymore as I have done this a few times and don't want to overdue it. Also, 0W20 synthetic oil (i.e. Toyota Brand, Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum) that is changed frequently won't leave much residue anyway as varnish levels will be very low.
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hightech wrote: That is a very good point. In my case, I bought the vehicle brand new in Nov 2011 and it has 205K on it now. I know the service history and have no leaks or anything going on. I don't plan on doing seafoam in the oil crankcase anymore as I have done this a few times and don't want to overdue it. Also, 0W20 synthetic oil (i.e. Toyota Brand, Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum) that is changed frequently won't leave much residue anyway as varnish levels will be very low.
I am sure you're fine - after all Toyota in 2011 probably used better quality gaskets than they did on a corolla a few years earlier. Still, it's good to do a visual inspection on gaskets even on your well-maintained plant.
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Cannot judge motor mounts condition by mileage and age, my 2002 camry mounts are still good with 260k km
You really need to inspect the mounts
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CaptSmethwick wrote: I am sure you're fine - after all Toyota in 2011 probably used better quality gaskets than they did on a corolla a few years earlier. Still, it's good to do a visual inspection on gaskets even on your well-maintained plant.
I take my vehicle in for yearly maintenance inspections and the techs tell me everything looks good.
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hightech wrote: I take my vehicle in for yearly maintenance inspections and the techs tell me everything looks good.
Awesome. Given what I've seen you post over the years, I would expect no less.
titeo1106 wrote: Cannot judge motor mounts condition by mileage and age, my 2002 camry mounts are still good with 260k km
You really need to inspect the mounts
How do you know they're good? And, yes, simple motor mounts do last longer than, say, oil-filled ones and I doubt either your 2002 Camry or a Corolla have oil-filled mounts. The cheaper and lighter the car - generally - the cheaper and lighter-weight the components. The OP has a vibration at idle but the RPMs are stable. So...
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The shotgun approach is a great way to get others to sink more money in a hurry.

OP - you need to respond to posters who have asked you important questions and/or given some self-diagnostic advice if you want more help. Otherwise, just take it into a shop if you're not willing/able.
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