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Mar 26th, 2022 8:17 pm
Topher86 [OP]
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Mar 26th, 2022 8:17 pm

Ontario $10 daycare

I read that it’s finally being announced Monday.

I’m assuming it will be similar to other provinces where it is reduced by 50% a year until 2025-2026.
Some questions though:

1. I heard other provinces have it, but haven’t actually provided savings to families yet?

2. I assume this is only up to JK?

3. Retro payment back to January?
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Mar 26th, 2022 11:43 pm
TrevorK
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Mar 26th, 2022 11:43 pm

In our province:

1. I heard other provinces have it, but haven’t actually provided savings to families yet?

Our province rolled in out in January. All families received somewhat of a saving, and the savings you received scaled based on income. There was a part of the funding which applies regardless of income, and another part that was income based.

2. I assume this is only up to JK?

I think for the provinces I have seen, it's only up to kindergarten age - 5.

3. Retro payment back to January?

That sounds extremely unlikely. I don't know any reason why there would be an expectation of that, but I am not from Ontario and do not know what was said.


For our province, the approach is that they will roll out the savings over time. Families with higher incomes see a small savings, however there have been people who report their daycares increased fees before joining the program (once a daycare joins the program, there are restrictions as to how much they are allowed to increase fees every year). There is an income based component, and it goes up to $180K income (and is tiered throughout that income range). Not all families currently see $10/day daycare, and truthfully the marketing has been "an average of $10/day" so I would not expect that even years later.
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Mar 28th, 2022 12:06 pm
Evinecz
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Mar 28th, 2022 12:06 pm

Does this news apply to montessori too?
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Mar 28th, 2022 12:07 pm
Eaglesfan99
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Mar 28th, 2022 12:07 pm

Evinecz wrote: ↑ Does this news apply to montessori too?
Also wondering this too - is Montessori a " licensed childcare centre"?
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Mar 28th, 2022 2:16 pm
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Mar 28th, 2022 2:16 pm

Ontario’s Child Care Action Plan Puts Families First (Backgrounder)
https://news.ontario.ca/en/backgrounder ... lies-first

Improved affordability
  • As a first step, all Ontario families with children five years old and younger in participating licensed child care centres will see their fees reduced, up to 25 per cent, to a minimum of $12 per day, retroactive to April 1, 2022.
  • In December 2022, parents will see another reduction. In total, fees for families will be reduced, on average, by 50 per cent, relieving parents of $1.1 billion in child care costs.
  • In September 2024, families will see further fee reductions, culminating in a final reduction to an average of $10-a-day child care by September 2025.

Improved access
  • Ontario will address increasing demand for child care by creating 86,000 new, high quality child care spaces. This includes more than 15,000 new spaces already created since 2019.
  • New licensed child care spaces will include a mix of not-for-profit and for-profit settings to provide families with choice and flexibility.
Destiny is all
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Mar 28th, 2022 2:23 pm
Topher86 [OP]
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Mar 28th, 2022 2:23 pm

Eaglesfan99 wrote: ↑ Also wondering this too - is Montessori a " licensed childcare centre"?
Agreed. Wondering also as our kid attends JK at a licensed childcare centre.
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:04 pm
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:04 pm

I am pretty sure that JK is considered school...your child can attend JK and SK at a public elementary school for FREE.
I am pretty sure it is only the before/after school daycare that would be covered - assuming it is in a licensed daycare.

My guess is that many daycares will begin to offer other "services" to extend what you could pay beyond the $10 the government is going to mandate.
Whether that is upgraded food, time, "teaching", etc...
I'm sure there are already daycares that have a plan to do this...afterall, in the GTA this just freed up likely close to $15,000 in disposable income per child so I'd be shocked if they don't offer "something" to get you to spend more.
If licensed daycare averages around $1400-$1,500 a month in the GTA the government is mandating about $210 a month...simple math is about $1250 x 12 months = $15,000 a year per kid in GTA.
Bare in mind that daycare costs more for kids in JK during holiday periods and summer months...curious how that works.

Of course, the entire idea that taxpayers are now paying around $15K on average (GTA rates), per child, for other people's children to get daycare is an insane use of government funding...even if you have kids you have to be questioning the sanity of this nonsense. Afterall, even if you have kids, you only get this for 4-5 years but we will all be paying an extra $1500 a year, on average, in taxes for your entire life. If you work for 45 years that's $67.5K...not accounting for inflation which will likely push this up by quite a bit over that time frame.

This program is fiscal craziness for a government.
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:32 pm
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:32 pm

Why do some home daycares choose to be not licensed? What's stopping them from doing so? Costs? Do they lose control over what they can charge? Do they not get to choose their clients? Renovations? Reporting requirements?

If your running an unlicensed today aren't you scrambling to get it licensed now?
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:49 pm
Topher86 [OP]
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:49 pm

cabber24 wrote: ↑ Why do some home daycares choose to be not licensed? What's stopping them from doing so? Costs? Do they lose control over what they can charge? Do they not get to choose their clients? Renovations? Reporting requirements?

If your running an unlicensed today aren't you scrambling to get it licensed now?
Ministry inspections and the associated mountain of paperwork would likely make people shy away from being licensed.
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:55 pm
Topher86 [OP]
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Mar 28th, 2022 4:55 pm

BatCountry wrote: ↑ I am pretty sure that JK is considered school...your child can attend JK and SK at a public elementary school for FREE.
I am pretty sure it is only the before/after school daycare that would be covered - assuming it is in a licensed daycare.

My guess is that many daycares will begin to offer other "services" to extend what you could pay beyond the $10 the government is going to mandate.
Whether that is upgraded food, time, "teaching", etc...
I'm sure there are already daycares that have a plan to do this...afterall, in the GTA this just freed up likely close to $15,000 in disposable income per child so I'd be shocked if they don't offer "something" to get you to spend more.
If licensed daycare averages around $1400-$1,500 a month in the GTA the government is mandating about $210 a month...simple math is about $1250 x 12 months = $15,000 a year per kid in GTA.
Bare in mind that daycare costs more for kids in JK during holiday periods and summer months...curious how that works.

Of course, the entire idea that taxpayers are now paying around $15K on average (GTA rates), per child, for other people's children to get daycare is an insane use of government funding...even if you have kids you have to be questioning the sanity of this nonsense. Afterall, even if you have kids, you only get this for 4-5 years but we will all be paying an extra $1500 a year, on average, in taxes for your entire life. If you work for 45 years that's $67.5K...not accounting for inflation which will likely push this up by quite a bit over that time frame.

This program is fiscal craziness for a government.
As someone with a 2 and a 4 year old, I will see some savings but I agree that the majority of savings will be seen by people who don’t even have kids yet.

I wonder if their is a maximum the subsidy can be for a centre? Like if I charge $50 a day what stops me from charging $75 so I can claim more subsidy?
I know other provinces have imposed a “freeze” where what they currently charge can’t be increased more than a certain % a year.
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Mar 28th, 2022 5:00 pm
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Mar 28th, 2022 5:00 pm

Making daycare cheaper is good but it'll cost us somewhere else. Money didn't just grow in trees. The government has to cut spending somewhere to subsidize the $10/day daycare.
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Mar 28th, 2022 5:49 pm
Evinecz
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Mar 28th, 2022 5:49 pm

Any news or answer if montessori qualifies for this?
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Mar 28th, 2022 7:10 pm
Topher86 [OP]
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Mar 28th, 2022 7:10 pm

Evinecz wrote: ↑ Any news or answer if montessori qualifies for this?
Nothing official. I saw on Reddit someone thought it was a no as essentially you are choosing a “private school” over provided free JK/SK.
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Mar 28th, 2022 7:52 pm
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Mar 28th, 2022 7:52 pm

BaboSo wrote: ↑Making daycare cheaper is good but it'll cost us somewhere else. Money didn't just grow in trees. The government has to cut spending somewhere to subsidize the $10/day daycare.
Don’t worry. You will see it on the tax bill. Sad but true
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Mar 28th, 2022 10:21 pm
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Mar 28th, 2022 10:21 pm

cabber24 wrote: ↑ Why do some home daycares choose to be not licensed? What's stopping them from doing so? Costs? Do they lose control over what they can charge? Do they not get to choose their clients? Renovations? Reporting requirements?

If your running an unlicensed today aren't you scrambling to get it licensed now?
My wife is kind of this predicament now. For now her rates are cheaper than a centre anyways, but will be more in December. I do not believe you can license a home daycare on your own, it would have to be through an agency
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Mar 29th, 2022 6:04 am
BatCountry
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Mar 29th, 2022 6:04 am

BaboSo wrote: ↑ Making daycare cheaper is good but it'll cost us somewhere else. Money didn't just grow in trees. The government has to cut spending somewhere to subsidize the $10/day daycare.
This government isn’t going to cut spending. They will just increase taxes. On average we can expect to see a $1500 a year increase in taxes to pay for this program. Throw in pharmacare and dental programs, and anything else the Liberal NDP can think of and that will go up more. I expect a GST increase, more tax brackets and increases, a principal residence tax, etc. And I expect they will still be running massive deficits along the way.
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Mar 29th, 2022 7:29 am
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Mar 29th, 2022 7:29 am

BaboSo wrote: ↑ Making daycare cheaper is good but it'll cost us somewhere else. Money didn't just grow in trees. The government has to cut spending somewhere to subsidize the $10/day daycare.
More like government has to tax us somewhere to subsidize the $10/day daycare.
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