Locked: Ontario G2 license unrenewable, petition government for change

Sunamiwave wrote: ↑ Although I already got my Ontario G license, this issue is personal to me based on how hard, expensive and time consuming it was to get it. If you disagree with my views please express it respectfully and move on.

If you are not ready or confident to take the G test prior to your G2 license expiring, the G2 license is not renewable without repeating G2 road test again with the risk that if you fail the G2 road test you are automatically downgraded to G1, and lose your independent driving privileges.

Other provinces that have a license similar to Ontario G2 allow this license to be renewable like the class 7N in BC and class 5GDL in Alberta. In fact Alberta plans to eliminate the advanced road in the spring of 2023 so class 5GDL license holders will automatically be upgraded to full class 5 driving privileges after 24 months of satisfactory driving record.

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID= ... FBC073BA66

While I am not suggesting we eliminate the G test if you believe Ontario’s rule to expire the G2 without testing is unfair given examiner’s arbitrarily scoring and unpredictable road test conditions often with other drivers not obeying the rules, you can try writing an email to the Minister of Transport Caroline Mulroney [email protected] or Premier Doug Ford [email protected] .

You can cite how losing your G2 will affect your livelihood, and how the demerit point system can adequately take unsafe G2 drivers off the road. Also cite how costly it is to prepare for the G test which does not really enhance road safety since you retain your G2 independent driving privileges until license expiry despite failing the G test. If enough people complain I think the government will be compelled to change the rules just like what happened in Alberta.

tew wrote: ↑ You have an entire year if you're not confident in your driving ability after that long I don't think you're ready for a license. Unpredictable road conditions and other drivers not obeying the rules is a fact of driving. Again if you can only drive in favorable conditions you're not ready.

Sunamiwave wrote: ↑ If i'm allowed to merge onto the highway at 120-130km/h like the flow of traffic on the 401 and still pass the test, I would agree. Unfortunately with examiners nitpicking you, merging in at 100km/h would be unsafe, and going at 130km/h is a violation of the law both automatic fails. Tell me how the odds can be stacked in my favor to pass the road test?

jmc111 wrote: ↑ Here is the reason why some think this process works compared to what it used to be (i.e. written test => obtaining 365 temp license and then going for road test, no waiting)

https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-stor ... n-be-done/

billy_z wrote: ↑ IF you live in Scarborough, you would hope the drive test gets harder. Too many dumbass on the road.

And you want people who can't drive after 5 years of practice to continue having G2 license?

Sunamiwave wrote: ↑ I remember a few years back the government actually pondered making G drivers take a road test to renew their license before they decided it was politically unpalatable. Are you OK with the hassle and expense of going through a test every 5 years with the threat of your license being cancelled if you fail your test? Are you confident that you can actually pass the G test again if you needed to? Can you honestly say you still drive like that very day you took your road test with exaggerated blind spot observations and with no speeding on an every day basis? That's what G2 drivers go through.

jmc111 wrote: ↑ Why do you not think the time allotted is not sufficient to complete? That's why it's called a graduated licensing system. A time limit is set to force the potential driver to complete the certification otherwise, it defeats the purpose of why they should receive an official license to qualify that he/she met certain standards and is aware of the rules of the road. No different from any other type of certification.

Sunamiwave wrote: ↑ I remember a few years back the government actually pondered making G drivers take a road test to renew their license before they decided it was politically unpalatable. Are you OK with the hassle and expense of going through a test every 5 years with the threat of your license being cancelled if you fail your test? Are you confident that you can actually pass the G test again if you needed to? Can you honestly say you still drive like that very day you took your road test with exaggerated blind spot observations and with no speeding on an every day basis? That's what G2 drivers go through.

For those who can't drive, you have the demerit point system to take them off the road, just like any other jurisdiction in the world.

For those dumbasses on the road the examiner should never have passed them to begin with.

I wouldn't be opposed to the tests were the road tests fair to begin with, but they obviously are not, and all you're doing is putting on a show in which you have no intention of following through with during every day driving, whether by choice or by necessity due to external traffic conditions.