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Ontario hiking ethanol content in gasoline to help fight climate change

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Rob_EV wrote: Might be a "mileage monster" like our Sonata Hybrid was (similar numbers), but not even close to the lowest cost of ownership. It costs about $1.50 for 100km of driving in an EV (even after Ontario has doubled electricity pricing since 2018 - used to be under $1.00).
Cost of ownership is low on my list of requirements for a vehicle, if it wasn't I'd probably drive a EV. Can't argue the cost per km.
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mxthor3 wrote: Cost of ownership is low on my list of requirements for a vehicle, if it wasn't I'd probably drive a EV. Can't argue the cost per km.
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mxthor3 wrote: I can get 1200-1300kms in the summer if I baby my 335d. Winter mode more like 800-1000kms on average. If you want a mileage monster, buy an older TDI lol.
My Honda Fit was nice. I was paying 0.75/L at one point here in AB. $20 fill got me 500km.

Diesel costs a fair bit more, it still hovers around $1 or even more per liter. It's pretty much premium pricing for that stuff. And a lot of diesels have higher repair/maintenance costs. More coolant, more motor oil, etc. My Honda Fit was happy with $4 shipped Rockauto oil filters and $12 jug of Motomaster 5w20 which it only used 3.8L of the 5L.
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Rob_EV wrote: Next vehicle a Ram TRX???
Wouldn't that be fun, lol!
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tehwegz wrote: My Honda Fit was nice. I was paying 0.75/L at one point here in AB. $20 fill got me 500km.

Diesel costs a fair bit more, it still hovers around $1 or even more per liter. It's pretty much premium pricing for that stuff. And a lot of diesels have higher repair/maintenance costs. More coolant, more motor oil, etc. My Honda Fit was happy with $4 shipped Rockauto oil filters and $12 jug of Motomaster 5w20 which it only used 3.8L of the 5L.
Gas vs diesel is a wash, they're both around $1 per L. A rotary pump TDI is a 50-55MPG (US) vehicle, your Fit would be lucky to do half that on average. I fed my old TDI a constant supply of $22 Esso oil every 20k and $7 WIX filters, retired and still running perfectly at 610,000kms. You'll never convince me a Fit is better in any way :)
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I did 3 fill ups of Shell 91 (0%) and 3 fill ups of Esso 93 (10%) a few times over the summer and didn't really notice a that much of difference in mileage, my butt dyno didn't notice any power gains either.
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If I have water in my tank, will gasoline with ethanol take care of it? If not what do you recommend?
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Rob_EV wrote: Might be a "mileage monster" like our Sonata Hybrid was (similar numbers), but not even close to the lowest cost of ownership. It costs about $1.50 for 100km of driving in an EV (even after Ontario has doubled electricity pricing since 2018 - used to be under $1.00).
mxthor3 wrote:
Cost of ownership is low on my list of requirements for a vehicle, if it wasn't I'd probably drive a EV. Can't argue the cost per km.
Fuel vs electric cost yes EV wins. However if you look at total cost of ownership it could be a bit of a toss up depending how much you drive as most of the good EV cost quite a bit more than the gas counterparts. Sure you don't have to do oil changes but if a Tesla sedan is $70k vs a 35k Camry sedan then the cost of the car is way more than what you would spend on fuel in the lifetime of the vehicle.
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inhaliburton wrote: If I have water in my tank, will gasoline with ethanol take care of it? If not what do you recommend?
Drain the tank and refill.
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zobi123 wrote: Fuel vs electric cost yes EV wins. However if you look at total cost of ownership it could be a bit of a toss up depending how much you drive as most of the good EV cost quite a bit more than the gas counterparts. Sure you don't have to do oil changes but if a Tesla sedan is $70k vs a 35k Camry sedan then the cost of the car is way more than what you would spend on fuel in the lifetime of the vehicle.
Around $48,000 in Ontario, less in BC and a lot less in Quebec. Not $70k as you state...unless you're insistent on buying the AWD - which is completely unnecessary on Toronto's plowed roads and does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds.
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inhaliburton wrote: If I have water in my tank, will gasoline with ethanol take care of it? If not what do you recommend?
Some seafoam in the tank will help deal with a small quantity. If there is a lot then drain and refill.
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inhaliburton wrote: If I have water in my tank, will gasoline with ethanol take care of it? If not what do you recommend?
gasline antifreeze or also known as methyl hydrate 100% in the paint thinner aisle. Add about 200ml at a time to a full tank.
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BeaverLiquor wrote: I did 3 fill ups of Shell 91 (0%) and 3 fill ups of Esso 93 (10%) a few times over the summer and didn't really notice a that much of difference in mileage, my butt dyno didn't notice any power gains either.
Unless you do a highly controlled study, you are unlikely to notice. Ethanol has 10% less energy, so 10% of 10% is only 1%.
Also, using higher octane fuel, your car may sense that and increase timing, giving more power/mpg. You'd want to compare the same octane fuel. What matters to most people is mpg/$
That said, no reason to do a study, the science is that ethanol has less energy per unit of volume.
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inhaliburton wrote: If I have water in my tank, will gasoline with ethanol take care of it? If not what do you recommend?
Depends on the amount of water and the amount of ethanol used.

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