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PC Financial suspended my MasterCard because I did not answer their question

I wanted to know if a financial institution can really have the right to just suspend my credit card because I did not answer their question right away?

Here's the whole scenario.

Last Tuesday, I got a voice message at home from PC Financial asking for a call back to answer some questions for my PC MasterCard. My wife is primary on the card, so she called them back (the phone number on the back of the credit card). After a few transfers to different people, she was able to reach someone who knew what was happening. They said that they need some questions answered regarding the supplemental card holder (me). They asked if I am a secretary of state for another country. At this point, my wife asked them back, "Why are you asking these questions?"

The answer the CSR gave back was "It's a new law. All credit card companies need to gather this information."

My wife asked back, "Why have none of my other credit card companies called me about this?"

The CSR replied, "They may have different ways of collecting this information."

Next, my wife asked the CSR what law this is for.

The CSR just said that it was a new law, but could not give any details about it.

I have told my wife in the past to not just freely give out information whenever someone asks. Not even for financial institutions. She pressed for more info about this law, but the CSR just went around in circles, saying that it is the law and that they need to gather it. Finally, my wife asked for the supervisor because this went nowhere.

After a couple of minutes on hold, the CSR came back and said it was for "FinTrac". The CSR told her that she can research this and when she is comfortable with it, to call back and continue the call.

The next day (Wednesday) we went on vacation to the States, so we are out of the country. PC Financial, apparently suspended the credit card on Wednesday. Because this is not the primary card we use, it did not matter. But we did receive another voice message on Thursday from PC Financial. Being out of the country, I did not call them back.

On Monday morning, my wife tried to use her card, but found that it was suspended. On calling PC Financial, she was told that they suspended the card because she "refused" to answer the questions. The CSR this time had a more accusational tone. For about 10 minutes, my wife went through that this is not right, that they cannot just suspended an account like this. Finally she asked for a supervisor.

The supervisor was even worse and took things personally. He became even worse and stronger to accuse that we were in the wrong. My wife stood her ground that she was out of the country and this is really the first chance to call back. This back and forth went on for about 20 minutes until finally my wife got fed up and told the supervisor that this is going nowhere and to cancel the card. He did it right there.

So....this is the main scenario. I still feel that PC Financial was strong arming us on this one. I was just a strange question to ask. In a world of identity theft and everything, I am so hesitant to answer questions that are outside of the normal scope of what I expect. Especially when they cannot give me a good reason why they need it. "Just because"...is not a reason.

The final thing we did was to contact the "next level" of complaint at PC Financial. THAT CSR apologized for the experience and said that they should not have suspended the card like that...but also claims that they have the right to suspend the card if they feel like it, not just because of suspected fraud. We did squeeze out another 30,000 points out of them for this. We intend on using up all the points and cancelling the card still...but I wanted to know if this is me making a fuss, or was this justified? I think there are many people who would just answer any question that banks ask of them...but I just want to be clear why I am answering them.
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Actually it's not a new law. It's Know Your Customer and Anti-Money Laundering laws mandated by FINTRAC.

You probably had a similar name that came up as a flag, so they had to review your account. Normal business practice.

Maybe the only fault here is the CSRs didn't know it off their head, probably just clicked through all the mandatory training or got someone else to do it.
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And technically speaking, they pretty much do have the right to suspend offering any of their clients credit for any number of reasons. Its not your right to borrow from them.
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Be careful when reopening the account. They also did same thing for me when they sent the world card and could not activate it for 3 weeks due to some system issues and the arrogant supervisor cancelled the card on his own when I complained. They wanted to do credit check again to re- open the account.
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The credit card is property of PC, they can do what they want with it. For the most part, there's not much that can be done.
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I received the EXACT same call and bull**** not too long ago, very annoying and unpleasant.

CSR said it's the law and they're required to do so.

Then I went on asking why other credit card companies never gave such troubles if it's required by the law, then the CSR says other banks run their businesses differently, didn't even bother providing more context or support in his statement whatsoever. As if he is implying my other cards may not be in compliance with the law.

I mentioned in another post this card & bank never gave me any good customer relations, my limit is stuck at triple digits (yes, less than a thousand) and never bothered offering more incentives to use, and now I'm on their "potential bad people list" just making me hate them even more.
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I don't understand the reason for the initial fuss. Just answer the question ... as long as you know it is the card center. (I sometimes ask them, if I can call them - # on back of card. So I am not being phished/scammed.)

As long as you reached the card center just answer the question. These questions are normally asked to protect your financial security.

These are also being asked by low paid call centre people ... not by professionals making $80K per year. So you need to give them some consideration to let them do their job. Most of the time, they call to verify your identify and valid usage of card.

Next, time you want to give them a headache ... know this ... some in RFD reported they had to pay a huge bar bill, because a waiter at a restaurant use a second/shadow transaction.

So work with the card centre staff to help you. Over the years, I've appreciated the 20+ times, they've called to verify things. 5 of which were fraudulent transactions they prevented.
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This is why they called:

http://www.fintrac.gc.ca/publications/b ... /1-eng.asp

[QUOTE]Starting June 23, 2008, financial entities, securities dealers, money services businesses and life insurance companies, brokers and agents have to determine if their clients are politically exposed foreign persons. This is required following changes to the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act (PCMLTFA) for enhanced measures to detect and deter money laundering and terrorist financing, including laundering of the proceeds of international corruption.[/QUOTE]

It is perfectly legitimate what they did. Besides, they can cancel your card for other reasons as well. Don't really need an excuse.
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toram23901 wrote: I wanted to know if a financial institution can really have the right to just suspend my credit card because I did not answer their question right away?
Generally speaking, a bank can cancel your credit card for any reason they feel like, except for a prohibited reason.

Banks are required by the govt to do a number of things to combat money laundering. One of these is to know your customer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer
toram23901 wrote: After a few transfers to different people, she was able to reach someone who knew what was happening. They said that they need some questions answered regarding the supplemental card holder (me). They asked if I am a secretary of state for another country.
That's a pretty simple question, answer yes or no.
toram23901 wrote: I have told my wife in the past to not just freely give out information whenever someone asks.
Me too, but this is a very simple question, answer yes or no.

If the answer is yes, then you are a politically exposed person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politicall ... 8Canada.29, and the bank is compelled by Canadian law to do a number of things to reduce the risk of money laundering.
toram23901 wrote: So....this is the main scenario. I still feel that PC Financial was strong arming us on this one. I was just a strange question to ask. In a world of identity theft and everything, I am so hesitant to answer questions that are outside of the normal scope of what I expect.
Dude, it's a simple yes/now question. Either way, there are no privacy implications, because in every country I have heard of, being secretary of state is a public position. The country does not hide or conceal who the senior ministers are.

Why is PC bank asking? Probably your name is similar to that of a foreign govt official.
toram23901 wrote: Especially when they cannot give me a good reason why they need it. "Just because"...is not a reason.
Dude, they told you the reason, to comply with the FINTRAC (Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada) rules: http://www.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/intro-eng.asp
toram23901 wrote: but also claims that they have the right to suspend the card if they feel like it
They do.
toram23901 wrote: I wanted to know if this is me making a fuss,
Yes, you are making a ridiculous fuss. Answer the simple yes/no question and get on with your life.
toram23901 wrote: I think there are many people who would just answer any question that banks ask of them...
Yes, there are people who give out their private info to anyone who asks.

But this is a valid question on behalf of the bank.
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toram23901 wrote: They said that they need some questions answered regarding the supplemental card holder (me). They asked if I am a secretary of state for another country. At this point, my wife asked them back, "Why are you asking these questions?"
Why on earth couldn't you answer questions like "are you a secretary of state for another country"? Seriously how hard is it to give a simple "no" to that question?? Were most of the questions generic like this?

They also clearly told you the specific government rule they were following by asking. Sorry to say but it sounds like you completely deserved to have your card cancelled on you, and were just being unnecessarily difficult when you really didn't need to be. Companies that lend you credit have every right to know all about your personal finances or employment. Would have been different if they were asking for very personal details of another nature.
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I think the problem revolves around the way they presented the questionnaire, in my view a very awkward, blunt and unpleasant way of asking.

Their opening sentence was literally "Hi this is ___ calling from PCMC how are you? Is your spouse's name ______ and are you ______, OK this call is to collect and confirm some personal information we have on record with PC MasterCard", and then jumped right in to asking a rather odd question you would not be expecting any day.

The CSR could not elaborate the purpose of their info collection, kept repeating the same sentence "because it is required by law". At least in my case when dealing with my particular CSR at the time he couldn't tell me anything useful.

They are preventing fraud which I appreciate but at the same time, that tone of my call at the beginning felt more like fraud callers themselves.

This thread is where I learn about FINTRAC, and sadly, not from the mouth of the CSR who collected my information.

I think OP, like myself, got presented the questionnaire in a bad way. Then got upset when bluntly told "we're suspending your account" while all of the above scenario has circulated in the matter just few minutes.
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Thanks for all the responses. The call was just strange, and like the above --^ the question was not expected. Neither my wife nor myself knew about Fintrac. And it wasn't until she pressed for a supervisor did the original CSR come back with Fintrac. So, yes, the answer is a simple "yes or no". In my case it is "no". But WHY is this being asked? At that time, there was no indication about Fintrac or even what government policy this related to.

The original CSR ended the call by allowing my wife to do her research into Fintrac before calling back. And even told her to call back when she was comfortable. I actually appreciated this fact. And honestly, I told my wife already to look into it and see what it was. I just made a cursory look and it talked about money laundering and fraud prevention. I was basically OK with this, but wanted my wife to do some research on her own. What got me more upset was the fact that they just suspended the card the next day (apparently) and then came back to make accusations. We were told that we would be given time to research this. They just go and suspend the card like that....OK, so they have the right to do it...it is still not good customer service.

We were going to call back on Monday (after we came back from vacation) and answer those questions....but they beat us to the punch and had the card suspended first. That pissed me off.
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newbieRFD wrote: Their opening sentence was literally "Hi this is ___ calling from PCMC how are you? Is your spouse's name ______ and are you ______, OK this call is to collect and confirm some personal information we have on record with PC MasterCard", and then jumped right in to asking a rather odd question you would not be expecting any day.
If you are sure you're actually talking to the credit card company instead of a phishing call (which is easily verifiable if you are the one that calls them as the OP did), then seriously I don't see the problem in being asked some incredibly easy to answer questions.

Any credit lender has the right to ask any financial questions they want to any of their customers, and at any time. Doesn't matter if it's to follow a federal law, or for their own companies due diligence. If you decline to answer, then that lender also has the right to decline their services or product to you. It really can't be more simple.
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rob444 wrote: If you are sure you're actually talking to the credit card company instead of a phishing call (which is easily verifiable if you are the one that calls them as the OP did), then seriously I don't see the problem in being asked some incredibly easy to answer questions.

Any credit lender has the right to ask any financial questions they want to any of their customers, and at any time. Doesn't matter if it's to follow a federal law, or for their own companies due diligence. If you decline to answer, then that lender also has the right to decline their services or product to you. It really can't be more simple.

In my case it was difficult for me to identify their legitimacy at the time they rang my phone. I had no idea what further questioning that conversation may lead to if I answer them, since the opening was so awkward already.

My call display was just as helpless too :( "USA: 1-866-246-7262". The choices presented to me right then and there was: answer those odd question(s), or face temporary account suspension.

Eventually it got resolved, just felt rather inconvenient & unpleasant, that's all.
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I'd like to see these banks cancel all credit cards etc and make people go back to using cash/debit only.

How would the shareholders and loaners react to tht eh, imagine if a csr and managers cancel too many cards, lol

You tell em to shove their card up their asss.
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newbieRFD wrote: I think the problem revolves around the way they presented the questionnaire, in my view a very awkward, blunt and unpleasant way of asking.

Their opening sentence was literally "Hi this is ___ calling from PCMC how are you? Is your spouse's name ______ and are you ______, OK this call is to collect and confirm some personal information we have on record with PC MasterCard", and then jumped right in to asking a rather odd question you would not be expecting any day.

The CSR could not elaborate the purpose of their info collection, kept repeating the same sentence "because it is required by law". At least in my case when dealing with my particular CSR at the time he couldn't tell me anything useful.

They are preventing fraud which I appreciate but at the same time, that tone of my call at the beginning felt more like fraud callers themselves.

This thread is where I learn about FINTRAC, and sadly, not from the mouth of the CSR who collected my information.

I think OP, like myself, got presented the questionnaire in a bad way. Then got upset when bluntly told "we're suspending your account" while all of the above scenario has circulated in the matter just few minutes.
I think this best sums it up. Being told quickly over the phone by someone who is quickly trying to get the call over with is probably not a high end professional experience. IT's an unexpected call, and perhaps the caller could have had higher success if they had been a little more skilled with the explanation/
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newbieRFD wrote: In my case it was difficult for me to identify their legitimacy at the time they rang my phone. I had no idea what further questioning that conversation may lead to if I answer them, since the opening was so awkward already.

My call display was just as helpless too :( "USA: 1-866-246-7262". The choices presented to me right then and there was: answer those odd question(s), or face temporary account suspension.

Eventually it got resolved, just felt rather inconvenient & unpleasant, that's all.
Yes and that would be the only legitimate concern I would have in any case a bank or credit card company calls me asking questions... confirming that it's actually them calling. What you can do in any situation like this is to just say you can't talk, and ask for a number to call back in a few minutes. There are hardly any situations where you must stay on the phone and give answers on the spot (unless perhaps you are being asked about fraudulent activity on your card and being quick to act is important).

The customer service aspect or them being polite/rude to you, is a whole other issue.

But it seems to me many people these days are wearing tinfoil hats thinking everyone is out to scam them, and are just unnecessarily difficult in answering some pretty simple questions that don't take more than a few seconds or minutes to do.
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rob444 wrote: What you can do in any situation like this is to just say you can't talk, and ask for a number to call back in a few minutes.
I agree with this as a strategy
I would have not deigned to answer a single question to anyone who calls me on the phone purporting to be someone who has a right to any kind of information
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rob444 wrote: ...What you can do in any situation like this is to just say you can't talk, and ask for a number to call back in a few minutes. ...
I actually never just answer questions from anyone who calls and says they are "from so and so". I have always told them politely that I cannot be certain that they are actually from the company they claim and that I will call back the customer service number that I know is for them. So far, no one has been offended by this statement and all the times the banks have called me and I picked up, they were in polite agreement with me doing this. I know it's paranoia, but you only need to be scammed / phished once and it can ruin your identity.

I'll agree to a degree about the unwillingness to answer the simple question...but like I said, I was already planning on calling them back to answer them...but they go and suspend my card like that...and it pissed me off completely. So what willingness I had to answer them became a point of principal of being strong armed to answer. And by that alone, I am not willing to budge. I do not like being bullied...and this is what it felt like to me.
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toram23901 wrote: I'll agree to a degree about the unwillingness to answer the simple question...but like I said, I was already planning on calling them back to answer them...but they go and suspend my card like that...and it pissed me off completely. So what willingness I had to answer them became a point of principal of being strong armed to answer. And by that alone, I am not willing to budge. I do not like being bullied...and this is what it felt like to me.
You had already called them back, so knew you were in fact talking to PC Financial so there was zero chance of phishing or being scammed. IMO, there was really no reason to not answer some simple questions. As I said, it doesn't matter if it's a specific law or just their company policy... ANY company that is giving you credit is allowed to ask you basically anything about your basic personal finances, employment, etc.

It's your right of course to refuse to answer, and of course it's totally their right to cancel your card. If it was me and I was assured I was in fact talking to my credit card company, I would have just answered on the spot and not had to deal with my card being cancelled. I can't think of a single reason not to answer such questions.

Yes they could have communicated it better or told you to respond within X days after which they would cancel your card, in which case you probably wouldn't be leaving them as a customer.

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