Peel Waste Bins - User Fees Survey

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Mar 9th, 2020 2:18 pm

l69norm [OP]: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 15941 posts; 4802 upvotes; London

Mar 9th, 2020 2:18 pm

Peel Waste Bins - User Fees Survey

Region of Peel wants your opinion on possible user fees based on your bin selection

Old thread bin selection thread
peel-residents-waste-bin-selection-1702855/

mrweather wrote: ↑ You severely underestimate the creativity of government when they're hunting for new "revenue tools".

Peel Region effectively implemented an extra fee a decade ago when they went to the two-bag limit, forcing you to buy stickers for additional bags. There is absolutely nothing stopping them from adding a new fee to your regional tax bill based on the size of your garbage bin.

From the old thread

There was speculation that user fees based on your bin size selection could happen eventually

Fill out the user survey - till Sunday March 15

https://www.peelwasteworkshop.ca/?utm_s ... te-consult

.....We want to hear your thoughts on what you think is important for us to consider. We also want your feedback on examples of various user fees being used in North America and Europe.....

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Mar 9th, 2020 4:37 pm

grumble: Deal Addict; Mar 22, 2017; 1209 posts; 1228 upvotes; West GTA

Mar 9th, 2020 4:37 pm

I think it's a great idea. They should have a modest fee on bin size to encourage less garbage. Their risk is to make it TOO high, where people will start illegally dumping.

Mar 9th, 2020 4:46 pm

DaveTheDude: Deal Addict; Mar 3, 2018; 1740 posts; 1694 upvotes; GTA

Mar 9th, 2020 4:46 pm

grumble wrote: ↑ I think it's a great idea. They should have a modest fee on bin size to encourage less garbage. Their risk is to make it TOO high, where people will start illegally dumping.

Like in Toronto where high bin size fees are in place. Many city park waste bins are full of people’s household garbage. As well people start putting garbage in their recycle bins contaminating the process.

Mar 9th, 2020 4:48 pm

shabby: Deal Addict; Jul 2, 2001; 4227 posts; 1561 upvotes; GTA

Mar 9th, 2020 4:48 pm

If they want to start charging for bin sizes i'll make sure to dump my grass clippings into the bin since they don't want to collect that anymore.

Mar 9th, 2020 5:46 pm

l69norm [OP]: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 15941 posts; 4802 upvotes; London

Mar 9th, 2020 5:46 pm

shabby wrote: ↑ If they want to start charging for bin sizes i'll make sure to dump my grass clippings into the bin since they don't want to collect that anymore.

The contractor for Peel started dumping clippings out last summer. If there was any clippings in the bins that they could see, it got dumped out on the ground at the curb

Mar 9th, 2020 6:28 pm

shabby: Deal Addict; Jul 2, 2001; 4227 posts; 1561 upvotes; GTA

Mar 9th, 2020 6:28 pm

l69norm wrote: ↑ The contractor for Peel started dumping clippings out last summer. If there was any clippings in the bins that they could see, it got dumped out on the ground at the curb

The lids are closed and you'd put them at the bottom of the bin, they don't see anything.

Mar 9th, 2020 8:21 pm

l69norm [OP]: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 15941 posts; 4802 upvotes; London

Mar 9th, 2020 8:21 pm

shabby wrote: ↑ The lids are closed and you'd put them at the bottom of the bin, they don't see anything.

I get the truck where they load the bin at the back of the truck. When he dumps the bin into the truck, he scoops clippings out of the truck and onto the ground

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Mar 9th, 2020 9:29 pm

Purgatory: Deal Addict; Jul 9, 2012; 1816 posts; 297 upvotes; Pluto

Mar 9th, 2020 9:29 pm

l69norm wrote: ↑ I get the truck where they load the bin at the back of the truck. When he dumps the bin into the truck, he scoops clippings out of the truck and onto onto the ground

That seems like a massive waste of time lol

If this happens (fee) I'll just bring my garbage to work each day and dispose of it there.

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Mar 9th, 2020 10:20 pm

shabby: Deal Addict; Jul 2, 2001; 4227 posts; 1561 upvotes; GTA

Mar 9th, 2020 10:20 pm

l69norm wrote: ↑ I get the truck where they load the bin at the back of the truck. When he dumps the bin into the truck, he scoops clippings out of the truck and onto the ground

Peel trucks lift the bins through the top, no ones looking through anything.

Mar 9th, 2020 10:34 pm

l69norm [OP]: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 15941 posts; 4802 upvotes; London

Mar 9th, 2020 10:34 pm

shabby wrote: ↑ Peel trucks lift the bins through the top, no ones looking through anything.

No, not all Peel trucks

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Mar 10th, 2020 12:11 am

fergy: Deal Addict; Sep 27, 2006; 3460 posts; 578 upvotes; Not so easy there Ma…

Mar 10th, 2020 12:11 am

grumble wrote: ↑ I think it's a great idea. They should have a modest fee on bin size to encourage less garbage. Their risk is to make it TOO high, where people will start illegally dumping.

I read recently that in Gatineau they switched to one modest sized bin, no size selection. Optionally you can get a lock for the bin. All the old garbage bins had to go into the garbage along with any unused garbage bags. Things have gone overboard when you reach that point.

Frankly they determined long ago household waste isn't the big garbage issue it's all the garbage produced by renovations, demolition and new construction. Ever seen an old photo of the city you live in? The "change" is truly mind boggling and of course the garbage produced by that change is mind boggling. That's just the visible change, add the mind boggling number of renovations in a city and there's your garbage problem. Frankly if they want to do something about all that garbage they need to introduce a very very hefty renovation and renewal garbage tax. Not a nice prospect but honestly if you really want to reduce garbage the fees or tax would need to be in the order of thousands, to tens of thousands, to hundreds of thousands to even millions of dollars depending on the renovation or renewal. The tax would have to be high enough to discourage it or make it unviable.

Mar 10th, 2020 5:28 am

Red_Army: Deal Fanatic; Oct 15, 2007; 5130 posts; 2547 upvotes

Mar 10th, 2020 5:28 am

fergy wrote: ↑ I read recently that in Gatineau they switched to one modest sized bin, no size selection. Optionally you can get a lock for the bin. All the old garbage bins had to go into the garbage along with any unused garbage bags. Things have gone overboard when you reach that point.

Frankly they determined long ago household waste isn't the big garbage issue it's all the garbage produced by renovations, demolition and new construction. Ever seen an old photo of the city you live in? The "change" is truly mind boggling and of course the garbage produced by that change is mind boggling. That's just the visible change, add the mind boggling number of renovations in a city and there's your garbage problem. Frankly if they want to do something about all that garbage they need to introduce a very very hefty renovation and renewal garbage tax. Not a nice prospect but honestly if you really want to reduce garbage the fees or tax would need to be in the order of thousands, to tens of thousands, to hundreds of thousands to even millions of dollars depending on the renovation or renewal. The tax would have to be high enough to discourage it or make it unviable.

Unfortunately that will never happen and would lead to even more illegal dumping . It’s much easier to charge/limit the little man

Everything has been said before, but since nobody listens we have to keep going back and beginning all over again. - Andre Gide

Mar 10th, 2020 8:06 am

shabby: Deal Addict; Jul 2, 2001; 4227 posts; 1561 upvotes; GTA

Mar 10th, 2020 8:06 am

l69norm wrote: ↑

No, not all Peel trucks

The ones around here do, those ones look so inefficient.

Mar 10th, 2020 10:14 am

l69norm [OP]: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 15941 posts; 4802 upvotes; London

Mar 10th, 2020 10:14 am

Getting back to the survey on user fees, the interesting one is fees by weight where the truck weighs the bin before dumping. Each bin has an optical bar code/ serial number.

I’m not sure how reliable a “pay by weight” system would be in harsh winter conditions. Imagine if you had water leak into your bin and freeze

The “pay by bin” size system seems less fair as people with 1/2 empty bins subsidize those that always fill to the brim

Mar 10th, 2020 7:32 pm

cheapmeister: Deal Guru; Feb 23, 2008; 12270 posts; 1152 upvotes; Brampton

Mar 10th, 2020 7:32 pm

l69norm wrote: ↑ Getting back to the survey on user fees, the interesting one is fees by weight where the truck weighs the bin before dumping. Each bin has an optical bar code/ serial number.

I’m not sure how reliable a “pay by weight” system would be in harsh winter conditions. Imagine if you had water leak into your bin and freeze

The “pay by bin” size system seems less fair as people with 1/2 empty bins subsidize those that always fill to the brim

What if you have the large size bin but never fill it up? Can you exchange it for a medium sized bin without paying exchange fee?

Lets Go Blue Jays!!!

Mar 10th, 2020 8:01 pm

l69norm [OP]: Deal Expert; Jun 12, 2007; 15941 posts; 4802 upvotes; London

Mar 10th, 2020 8:01 pm

cheapmeister wrote: ↑ What if you have the large size bin but never fill it up? Can you exchange it for a medium sized bin without paying exchange fee?

There’s no info about change fees yet. Toronto did let people downsize for free when they went to a fees based system

Mar 10th, 2020 8:12 pm

shabby: Deal Addict; Jul 2, 2001; 4227 posts; 1561 upvotes; GTA

Mar 10th, 2020 8:12 pm

l69norm wrote: ↑ Getting back to the survey on user fees

No... just put "shove the user fees where the sun don't shine" in the survey, they should get the message

Mar 10th, 2020 9:25 pm

Tommy74: Deal Addict; Jun 26, 2009; 3822 posts; 2773 upvotes; GTA

Mar 10th, 2020 9:25 pm

Storm water fees for the rain that falls on your roof, non- existing snow removal and now garbage fees? Oh, please lower my property tax too, as the services you provide are c..p. I miss Hazel. It's daytime robbery right now.

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