Philips multi life aa rechargeable 2450 mah

Don't waste your money on these unless they are dirt cheap or free. Phillips does make some great products, but you can bet your butt that these are made by whatever bottom of the barrel factory in China for some importer that will brand them as Phillips, as evidenced by them being peddled at walmart and random hole in the wall retailers - much like "GE" and "RCA", "westinghouse" etc accessories that bare the brand name in hopes of swindling customers based on historic brand recognition. They might do the job, but the capacity will more than likely be bogus, and durability/longevity may be a crapshoot.

I don't see any mention of these being "Pre-charged" or "slow drain" etc. so that right there is a red flag. Quality NiMH batteries are low self-discharge, meaning they retain a certain percentage of their capacity even after years of sitting on a shelf, but before these there were the older generations that would self-discharge rather quickly. The higher the capacity, the worse it got - I had some 2500 mAH Energizer cells that after 2 years would start loosing capacity and be unusable within a week or less. Meanwhile, my oldest eneloops have just turned 10 years old and are still working great!

Amazon reviews of various capacities of this line don't bode well either.

Especially in this day and age where NiMH tech is so mature it's basically obsolete, you should just stick with ones that are Japanese, FDK-made, LSD, cells. I think the only major ones left that are readily available in Can/US are eneloops themselves and Ikealoops. I'm pretty sure Duracell as well as Amazon have moved on to other, cheaper/lesser suppliers now--i.e. no more Duraloops and Amaloops lol.

M1K3Z0R wrote: ↑ Don't waste your money on these unless they are dirt cheap or free. Phillips does make some great products, but you can bet your butt that these are made by whatever bottom of the barrel factory in China for some importer that will brand them as Phillips, as evidenced by them being peddled at walmart and random hole in the wall retailers - much like "GE" and "RCA", "westinghouse" etc accessories that bare the brand name in hopes of swindling customers based on historic brand recognition. They might do the job, but the capacity will more than likely be bogus, and durability/longevity may be a crapshoot.

I don't see any mention of these being "Pre-charged" or "slow drain" etc. so that right there is a red flag. Quality NiMH batteries are low self-discharge, meaning they retain a certain percentage of their capacity even after years of sitting on a shelf, but before these there were the older generations that would self-discharge rather quickly. The higher the capacity, the worse it got - I had some 2500 mAH Energizer cells that after 2 years would start loosing capacity and be unusable within a week or less. Meanwhile, my oldest eneloops have just turned 10 years old and are still working great!

Amazon reviews of various capacities of this line don't bode well either.

Well I would consider yourself lucky.
I also own some old eneloops. The regular versions (white design) and also the more expensive eneloop "XX" ones (black design) that I bought many years ago.
Both are trash now that barely hold any charge if at all.

Bought them both years ago from Dell, so they are not fakes.

BobSagget wrote: ↑ Well I would consider yourself lucky.
I also own some old eneloops. The regular versions (white design) and also the more expensive eneloop "XX" ones (black design) that I bought many years ago.
Both are trash now that barely hold any charge if at all.

Bought them both years ago from Dell, so they are not fakes.

I also have very old Eneloops that still work. I bought most of them more than 10 years ago. Some of them are "President Choice" rebrands LOL. I used to use them mostly in flashes. Now I use them mostly in Harmony remotes, mice and occasionally flashes. I have a charger that shows capacity on recharge and after fully drained it's usually between 1900 and 2000 for AA. I remember throwing out 2 or 3 of them as they stopped charging. And I have a lot of them, maybe 40 in total AA + AAA.

alpovs wrote: ↑ I also have very old Eneloops that still work. I bought most of them more than 10 years ago. Some of them are "President Choice" rebrands LOL. I used to use them mostly in flashes. Now I use them mostly in Harmony remotes, mice and occasionally flashes. I have a charger that shows capacity on recharge and after fully drained it's usually between 1900 and 2000 for AA. I remember throwing out 2 or 3 of them as they stopped charging. And I have a lot of them, maybe 40 in total AA + AAA.

What charger do you own?

I use a Nitecore D4 I bought years ago, but it's starting to become finnicky. Doesn't like to charge my AAAs without them being positioned in a very specific angle. Might upgrade to something else.

BobSagget wrote: ↑ What charger do you own?

I use a Nitecore D4 I bought years ago, but it's starting to become finnicky. Doesn't like to charge my AAAs without them being positioned in a very specific angle. Might upgrade to something else.

Mine is MAHA Powerex MH-C9000. I bought it years ago, not sure if they still make it.

Do not buy them! I bought a pack from Dollarama to try out and they are trash. 2 DOA showing 0.00v, and the other 2 have a capacity of only ~800mAh. Stick with Eneloops if you can. You can get the lower capacity 1900mAh IKEA LADDA batteries for $5.99 which are way better than these, or $9.99 for the 2450mAh.

I have Duracell branded Eneloops that are 12 years old now and still hold their rated capacities. I also have Sony branded Eneloops that are 14 years old and still work today.

Quentin5 wrote: ↑ I have Eneloops from 2009 that still work great.
In general very few people i have talked to have had them fail, so i am curious why yours are not doing well.

My old white Eneloops are still going. The AmazonBasics rechargeables I bought a couple of years later just recently all died on me.

BobSagget wrote: ↑ Well I would consider yourself lucky.
I also own some old eneloops. The regular versions (white design) and also the more expensive eneloop "XX" ones (black design) that I bought many years ago.
Both are trash now that barely hold any charge if at all.

Bought them both years ago from Dell, so they are not fakes.

I believe the XX/"Pro" eneloops were higher rated capacity, but the tradeoff was much lower charge number of charge cycles.

The charger used also plays a factor, as does temperature and manner of usage (complete drain is bad, overcharged is bad, hot is bad...), though totally possible to get a dud just like any other mass produced product (though seems to be rare with MIJ eneloops). Chargers that charge in pairs are not ideal and this is what seemed to come with many of the Dell eneloops back in the day, older time based or dumb chargers were much worse if you left them plugged in.

I invested in a Powerex/MAHA C9000 and never looked back, paid $50 back in 2012 or so and at the time it was almost double my eneloop investment, but has served me well. Even brought back some crappy energizer cells back from the dead that refused to charge on other chargers (kept them going for another 2 years before they finally died outright).

Bought my first eneloops from the Dell deals that would pop up on RFD (Sanyo branded 8x AA pack, 4x AAA, and a pair charger), all still going strong including 4xAA that have been in used almost exclusively in flashlights on a daily basis!

Quentin5 wrote: ↑ I have Eneloops from 2009 that still work great.
In general very few people i have talked to have had them fail, so i am curious why yours are not doing well.

How long of a charge do you get out of them though?

Turns out some of my eneloops (white label) are still able to hold a charge. I decided to charge them all up to see. I am not sure how much of a charge they hold though
Put one in my mouse just now, so this will be a good test to see how quickly it dies.

I was right about the black premium eneloops though (the XX ones). They don't hold a charge at all anymore. They are only about 8-9 yrs old. You'd think the premium ones would last longer than the regular ones, but nope.

M1K3Z0R wrote: ↑ I believe the XX/"Pro" eneloops were higher rated capacity, but the tradeoff was much lower charge number of charge cycles.

The charger used also plays a factor, as does temperature and manner of usage (complete drain is bad, overcharged is bad, hot is bad...), though totally possible to get a dud just like any other mass produced product (though seems to be rare with MIJ eneloops). Chargers that charge in pairs are not ideal and this is what seemed to come with many of the Dell eneloops back in the day, older time based or dumb chargers were much worse if you left them plugged in.

I invested in a Powerex/MAHA C9000 and never looked back, paid $50 back in 2012 or so and at the time it was almost double my eneloop investment, but has served me well. Even brought back some crappy energizer cells back from the dead that refused to charge on other chargers (kept them going for another 2 years before they finally died outright).

Bought my first eneloops from the Dell deals that would pop up on RFD (Sanyo branded 8x AA pack, 4x AAA, and a pair charger), all still going strong including 4xAA that have been in used almost exclusively in flashlights on a daily basis!

Just saw your comment after I just posted.

Sounds like we might have both bought the eneloops from the same Dell deals over the years. Mine also came with that Sanyo charger.
What you said about the premium ones make sense as they do not hold a charge at all anymore, but some of my white eneloops still do.

I've been using the Nitecore D4 charger I bought for like $35 7-8 yrs ago, but I think I might look into this MAHA C9000 model, as you're the second person in this thread to mention this charger (EDIT: Nvm it's discontinued lol)

Actually found a few dell order emails from back in the day.
I made a few purchases over the years, but it was during these dell deals they had at the time.