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Plumbing Moen valve question, shower tub handheld

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Plumbing Moen valve question, shower tub handheld

Hi all,

I’m remodeling my bathroom and I really wanted a tub filler, regular shower, and handheld in a black colour.


I've found this shower kit

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07N1H ... UTF8&psc=1

with this transfer valve/temperature trim

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RFN ... UTF8&psc=1

and this valve

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RFN ... UTF8&psc=1

and a handheld shower


https://www.homedepot.ca/product/moen-g ... 1001534465

I thought this was the answer and @CanadianHandyman had suggested it would be all on one valve/trim but it seems I still would have to pull the tub spout diverter for this set up as well to control the handheld and shower. Based on this info https://www.moen.com/shared/docs/produc ... 2521sp.pdf

Can anyone confirm? TIA
Last edited by ~sboardgurl~ on Jul 23rd, 2020 10:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Yes what you suggest would work. But you should talk to a plumber if you find plumbing "confusing"

Be aware that some of those diverter valves do not have a really good shutoff. So you may get some dripping out of the handheld when you use the overhead shower and vice versa. No a serious issue but can be annoying.

Agree you should get the three function 3372 valve which allows you to run the overhead only, the handheld only, or both at the same time. Sometimes nice to keep warm from the overhead while you use the handheld for your parts.
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Thank you!
I know I should be speaking to a plumber but my gc is bringing his plumber in to do the work and there wasn’t really time for me to discuss my options or how anything works. I am also buying the stuff myself to save some money instead of my gc and his plumber buying everything at full price.
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~sboardgurl~ wrote: Thank you!
I know I should be speaking to a plumber but my gc is bringing his plumber in to do the work and there wasn’t really time for me to discuss my options or how anything works. I am also buying the stuff myself to save some money instead of my gc and his plumber buying everything at full price.
Plumbers buy fixtures from wholesalers. They can get it cheaper than you can on sale.
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zeddy wrote: Plumbers buy fixtures from wholesalers. They can get it cheaper than you can on sale.
Thanks. I guess I’m going with a one man show that never specified that to me. He said he gets everything from Lowe’s minus 5%. I’ve never done a reno before, thanks for the info, I’ll ask about it. Ideally would have loved to stick with the Moen Align line for everything but I need to stick to my budget.
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Have you considered that to even start the shower/handheld you'll have to pull up on the diverter shaft on the tub spout to send water up to the your in wall diverter valve. Its a small detail but you're going to so much trouble here to have a nice system that you may want to consider having to do this.

MIght I suggest a single mixing valve that would do all of these functions with less install work. Maybe look at the Delta R22000 valve. It gives you three setting diverter and mixing valve all in one unit, black trim kits are available.

https://www.amazon.ca/R22000-Multichoic ... 29&sr=8-11

CHM.
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CanadianHandyman wrote: Have you considered that to even start the shower/handheld you'll have to pull up on the diverter shaft on the tub spout to send water up to the your in wall diverter valve. Its a small detail but you're going to so much trouble here to have a nice system that you may want to consider having to do this.

MIght I suggest a single mixing valve that would do all of these functions with less install work. Maybe look at the Delta R22000 valve. It gives you three setting diverter and mixing valve all in one unit, black trim kits are available.

https://www.amazon.ca/R22000-Multichoic ... 29&sr=8-11

CHM.

I was actually originally going to go with this, which has everything like you suggest.

https://www.torontovanity.com/Aqua-Rond ... tfhh3v.htm

But I was unable find any reviews and I'm hesitant to go with a lesser known brand (for example, if I wanted to change fixtures or if there was an issue down the line, would I need to rip out a wall to replace? I'm pretty sure I can access from the guest room, so may not be too much trouble but still). Hence my solution above with MOEN fixtures and valves, but I definitely see your point.
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Thank you all for being so helpful. I have another question, if anyone would be so kind as to answer.

I've found this shower kit

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07N1H ... UTF8&psc=1

with this transfer valve/temperature trim

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RFN ... UTF8&psc=1

and this valve

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RFN ... UTF8&psc=1

and a handheld shower


https://www.homedepot.ca/product/moen-g ... 1001534465

I thought this was the answer and @CanadianHandyman had suggested it would be all on one valve/trim but it seems I still would have to pull the tub spout diverter for this set up as well to control the handheld and shower. Based on this info https://www.moen.com/shared/docs/produc ... 2521sp.pdf

Can anyone confirm? TIA
Last edited by ~sboardgurl~ on Jul 23rd, 2020 10:16 am, edited 2 times in total.
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sorry, had to remove the shortened links because they are not allowed here
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Mars2012 wrote: sorry, had to remove the shortened links because they are not allowed here
No problem, I'll edit. Thank you
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Well the first link is for a kit that has a valve. The second and third link is for a valve with a diverter function. You would buy one or the other. The last link for the handheld is just a shower head style not the sliding bar style.

The diverter valve says 3 funciton but really its a 2 function with a setting that shares water to both which they call a 3rd function. So you can have the tub spout, or the shower, or both running at the same time. Now that I think about it we'd have to make sure that the Delta version allows for 3 distinct settings (tub, handheld, and showerhead).

At a certain point where you're buying $700+ worth of Moen valves you might want to consider going into a specialty shop. Brands like Aquabrass and Riobel offer kits already setup for exactly these layouts and you may find their prices are nearly the same as Moen. I'm not a big fan of Moen as a lot of their chrome trim parts are plastic spray painted chrome. Going into the better brands you get brass that has been properly chromed. It will last longer especially if you have hard water issues.

CHM

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