Get pinch clamp tool instead. It's easier to work in tight spaces, it's cheap ($30 on Amazon), it's universal, easier to remove without risking damaging the fittings, and you can get Ryobi power tool if you want to spend a bit more (which is what I use and I love it).
Stated with a crimper and hated it.

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Mar 1st, 2022 6:11 pm

jpwkr1: Sr. Member; Mar 20, 2016; 576 posts; 562 upvotes; Vancouver

Mar 1st, 2022 6:11 pm

elfion wrote: ↑ Get pinch clamp tool instead. It's easier to work in tight spaces, it's cheap ($30 on Amazon), it's universal, easier to remove without risking damaging the fittings, and you can get Ryobi power tool if you want to spend a bit more (which is what I use and I love it).
Stated with a crimper and hated it.

Looks like only downside is the pinch clamp rings are 45-55c each and the crimp rings are ~30c each (Sharkbite brand, home depot).
Not much difference.

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Mar 1st, 2022 10:08 pm

DanielM491: Deal Addict; Sep 15, 2015; 1298 posts; 1415 upvotes; Abbotsford

Mar 1st, 2022 10:08 pm

It's only like $10 to rent for a day

Mar 1st, 2022 11:22 pm

eugene188: Deal Addict; Sep 10, 2010; 3457 posts; 1833 upvotes; Ottawa

Mar 1st, 2022 11:22 pm

DanielM491 wrote: ↑ It's only like $10 to rent for a day

Perfect. I was wondering if Home Depot had these for rent. I need to add a shut off for the water on in my kitchen sink, but I don't want to buy it just to use once.

Where else has it for rent?

Mar 1st, 2022 11:27 pm

majikstic: Deal Addict; Jan 7, 2008; 1558 posts; 677 upvotes

Mar 1st, 2022 11:27 pm

eugene188 wrote: ↑ Perfect. I was wondering if Home Depot had these for rent. I need to add a shut off for the water on in my kitchen sink, but I don't want to buy it just to use once.

Where else has it for rent?

If that's all you want to do, just buy a sharkbite shutoff valve and you're done. No special tools required.

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Mar 1st, 2022 11:33 pm

tmkf_patryk: Deal Addict; Dec 27, 2007; 4442 posts; 1729 upvotes; Edmonton

Mar 1st, 2022 11:33 pm

majikstic wrote: ↑ If that's all you want to do, just buy a sharkbite shutoff valve and you're done. No special tools required.

Advise against shark bite. Crimp and be worry free.

warming up the earth 1 gas fill-up at a time...
You only live once, get a v8

+8

Mar 1st, 2022 11:37 pm

MaDgamEr: Deal Addict; Dec 24, 2007; 1351 posts; 1375 upvotes; Kingston

Mar 1st, 2022 11:37 pm

tmkf_patryk wrote: ↑ Advise against shark bite. Crimp and be worry free.

No reason to advise against sharkbite. While they are expensive, they work very well. And if they don't, the company and retailers stand behind them 100%. Zero risk.

Nothing wrong with crimp either.

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Mar 2nd, 2022 3:33 am

tmkf_patryk: Deal Addict; Dec 27, 2007; 4442 posts; 1729 upvotes; Edmonton

Mar 2nd, 2022 3:33 am

MaDgamEr wrote: ↑ No reason to advise against sharkbite. While they are expensive, they work very well. And if they don't, the company and retailers stand behind them 100%. Zero risk.

Nothing wrong with crimp either.

You can guarantee an o-ring will hold form and not flatten/lose its seal after 30 years?

If that was the case then orings would never fail on vehicles

warming up the earth 1 gas fill-up at a time...
You only live once, get a v8

+4

Mar 2nd, 2022 9:26 am

RyanfromYEG: Member; Apr 30, 2019; 249 posts; 92 upvotes

Mar 2nd, 2022 9:26 am

I vote for cold expansion plumbing. No crimping required and east to work with in tight spaces. Fittings are different from the crimp or SharkBite stuff. One benefit is that the flow cross sectional area stays the same.

+1

Mar 2nd, 2022 10:48 am

MaDgamEr: Deal Addict; Dec 24, 2007; 1351 posts; 1375 upvotes; Kingston

Mar 2nd, 2022 10:48 am

tmkf_patryk wrote: ↑ You can guarantee an o-ring will hold form and not flatten/lose its seal after 30 years?

If that was the case then orings would never fail on vehicles

I don't understand your original statement or supporting statement. Help me out here. Can I guarantee the fitting for 30 years? No, but the manufacturers seem to... for anywhere between 5 and 35 years, depending on the model used. Can you guarantee PEX piping for 30 years? No, because the expected service life is 20-40 years depending on the model/type used.

Of course O rings can fail, especially in vehicles. But one can easily argue that vehicles are a poor contrast due to the huge range in temperature changes and subject to massive vibration load/movements that your house plumbing is clearly not subject to.

There's no viable reason to deter people from using sharkbite type connectors or crimping or sweating as they're all effective and none of them are 'guaranteed' for a lifetime, especially if you don't know how to install properly. Period.

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Mar 2nd, 2022 10:56 am

elfion: Deal Addict; Jan 13, 2009; 2024 posts; 1594 upvotes

Mar 2nd, 2022 10:56 am

RyanfromYEG wrote: ↑ I vote for cold expansion plumbing.

it's quite a bit more expensive still, especially the power expansion tool. pipes are also almost double the price. on the plus side, you may save money on elbows or fittings for turns.
I am really curious if and when ryobi will come out with their own PEX-A expander. if they price it at $200 including heads, I will get it right away.

+1

Mar 2nd, 2022 11:00 am

tmkf_patryk: Deal Addict; Dec 27, 2007; 4442 posts; 1729 upvotes; Edmonton

Mar 2nd, 2022 11:00 am

MaDgamEr wrote: ↑ I don't understand your original statement or supporting statement. Help me out here. Can I guarantee the fitting for 30 years? No, but the manufacturers seem to... for anywhere between 5 and 35 years, depending on the model used. Can you guarantee PEX piping for 30 years? No, because the expected service life is 20-40 years depending on the model/type used.

Of course O rings can fail, especially in vehicles. But one can easily argue that vehicles are a poor contrast due to the huge range in temperature changes and subject to massive vibration load/movements that your house plumbing is clearly not subject to.

There's no viable reason to deter people from using sharkbite type connectors or crimping or sweating as they're all effective and none of them are 'guaranteed' for a lifetime, especially if you don't know how to install properly. Period.

I guess your right, copper piping is the way to go, longest lasting

warming up the earth 1 gas fill-up at a time...
You only live once, get a v8

Mar 2nd, 2022 11:06 am

elfion: Deal Addict; Jan 13, 2009; 2024 posts; 1594 upvotes

Mar 2nd, 2022 11:06 am

tmkf_patryk wrote: ↑ I guess your right, copper piping is the way to go, longest lasting

it is certainly not. it is absolutely not more reliable and not more long lasting than any pex.
unless maybe you were being sarcastic, it's a little hard to tell.

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Mar 2nd, 2022 12:33 pm

EasyCompany251 [OP]: Deal Addict; Nov 21, 2014; 3009 posts; 5190 upvotes; Atlantic

Mar 2nd, 2022 12:33 pm

tmkf_patryk wrote: ↑ I guess your right, copper piping is the way to go, longest lasting

Probably not. Pin-hole leaks.

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Mar 2nd, 2022 12:35 pm

MaDgamEr: Deal Addict; Dec 24, 2007; 1351 posts; 1375 upvotes; Kingston

Mar 2nd, 2022 12:35 pm

Copper water pipe service life is roughly 60 - 100+ years, depending on the type used (L vs M vs K type). Does that make them better than PEX? Not necessarily... Everything has its place and circumstances when it may be considered the best. Copper is more susceptible to degradation from certain ttypes of minerals, and if K pipe wasn't used, is susceptible to leaks sooner than the life expectancy. But PEX is not a permanent product or longer lasting, if that's what you're implying, as it has a shorter service life to begin with and can also fail prematurely under the wrong water quality issues.

Mar 2nd, 2022 12:48 pm

hvc: Deal Fanatic; Aug 31, 2010; 7077 posts; 6008 upvotes

Mar 2nd, 2022 12:48 pm

eugene188 wrote: ↑ Perfect. I was wondering if Home Depot had these for rent. I need to add a shut off for the water on in my kitchen sink, but I don't want to buy it just to use once.

Where else has it for rent?

legit, get a sharebite - don't listen to the other poster.

It'll take you longer to shut off your water main than it will to install the sharkbite and it'll last.

It's like $14 - https://www.homedepot.ca/product/sharkb ... 1000791968

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Mar 2nd, 2022 1:12 pm

elfion: Deal Addict; Jan 13, 2009; 2024 posts; 1594 upvotes

Mar 2nd, 2022 1:12 pm

MaDgamEr wrote: ↑ Copper water pipe service life is roughly 60 - 100+ years, depending on the type used (L vs M vs K type). .

True but what does 100 years mean? I am guessing it's a statement about the pipe itself. There is a million soldered connections, are what is the probability that none of them leak in 100 years even if soldered by an average residential plumber? I'm guessing not high.
PEX service time is also a hundred (or definitely many many decades). What is the probability that none of the PEX connections leak? Way way higher.

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Mar 2nd, 2022 1:43 pm

aidendanger: Deal Addict; Nov 7, 2013; 1828 posts; 2226 upvotes; Ottawa

Mar 2nd, 2022 1:43 pm

tmkf_patryk wrote: ↑ You can guarantee an o-ring will hold form and not flatten/lose its seal after 30 years?

If that was the case then orings would never fail on vehicles

You have the same level of corrosion on your pipes in your house as you do your car? Gross man.

Shark bites work just as well and are now allowed to be produced by other companies.

Big job, use a crimper. Small jobs, use shark bite or similar.

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Mar 2nd, 2022 2:03 pm

elfion: Deal Addict; Jan 13, 2009; 2024 posts; 1594 upvotes

Mar 2nd, 2022 2:03 pm

aidendanger wrote: ↑ You have the same level of corrosion on your pipes in your house as you do your car? Gross man.

Shark bites work just as well and are now allowed to be produced by other companies.

Big job, use a crimper. Small jobs, use shark bite or similar.

agree with everything except crimper. Don't use a crimper.

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