Scammers and Warnings

A professional - just afraid or hoping to get away?

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[OP]
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Dec 28, 2010
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A professional - just afraid or hoping to get away?

Its been 16hrs and I bought a Lenovo Y50 - 4K screen laptop from a Mr.X from Kijiji. The person works for a prestigious firm in downtown Toronto. I live and work in downtown and at one time was a client of this firm.

After negotiation, he agreed on $200 less his asking price (at noon)- went back and asked for $100 more again at 7pm, I reiterated that the laptop was out of warranty and my limit is max. We did agree on the initial price again and finally decided to meet in downtown below his office - as he worked night shift.

Met at 10pm, chatted about his workplace, briefly checked the laptop. We had had lengthy whatsapp chat on the condition, 7-8 pictures exchanged, as just day before I was bitten hard - by driving all the way to Oshawa for another y50 laptop, only to find the back plastic around hinges was cracked and broken - exposing wire. I did mention this profusely to Mr.X. And I always made sure to ask all Kijiji sellers "Please do let me know about any cracks or blemishes , so that we don't waste time" Mr.X. was good in this case and mention a slight scratch on the edge and I was basically getting a open box.

The laptop was in sleep mode, I opened the lid, it came up, checked it cosmetically, keys, wifi. I asked again if there is anything about this laptop that he hates or worries and I should know. Answer was all good. I paid cash (4digits :| ) and returned home, 15mins walk and created new windows account- it asked for a restart, during the restart, on the initial black background, I noticed about 2inch of white streaks- near center of screen. Tried cleaning it with my soft eyeglass cotton cloth and I could immediately see that it was inside the 4k screen. I then changed the background to all black and I could see it very clear- it's a 2inch white streak on a 4k screen :-0 . - just like this - Link

I called him back immediately and got no response. To save time, I walked back to our meeting location, reached at 11pm and sent him text hoping we can address this, no response again. I then waited outside his office lobby and in a professional way, called him every 30min until 1am to never hear back. Sent 4 text messages, always mentioning that I understand he might be busy , but never heard back a single word. He had previously mentioned that his shift ends 7am, so I called again at 7 am and then 8am - it goes to vm after 8-9 rings.


I do have his full name, phone number, LinkedIn profile gives more info. I know some of his colleagues -professionally, from being a client of the firm.
I am not sure what to make of it! Is this what the world has come to, that people are so eager to load off there problems and hide?
Now that I think of it, Peeple app -Character is Destiny- would actually work!
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While I definitely feel your pain OP, I do have to defer some of the blame to you because you didn't check everything out fully. Unless I am buying something that is BNIB, on a used machine costing four figures, I would be doing a full startup/restart. People can easily hide problems by having the laptop in sleep/already on (i.e. what if the power button is finicky and you need to press it a few times for the thing to come on because it doesn't work properly). I realize that you cannot really test everything (i.e. someone could say everything works, and meanwhile, the 'q' key does not due to a spill, and you didn't test it out), but the screen quality (scratches, stuck pixels, bleed-through, and other defects) and issues with starting up/shutting down are definitely key ones that I would be looking for.

That's rather unfortunate though, and unusual, in that I typically think people who have Linkedin profiles and/or have some indication that they are gainfully employed are less likely to pull this kind of thing. It's the people who have no online presence and only return one-word answers that I usually avoid.

All that being said, not sure where you want to go from here. At least in this case, it is a 'working' laptop, as opposed to a fake or otherwise non-working cellphone. Since you only noticed it afterwards, it is something that is noticeable/bothers you when using it regularly?
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Apr 25, 2006
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Text him that you are a client of hisbfirm and know his colleague. Get a reaction out of him
"If you make a mistake but then change your ways, it is like never having made a mistake at all" - Confucius
[OP]
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1xTiMeR wrote: Text him that you are a client of hisbfirm and know his colleague. Get a reaction out of him
I did whatever I could in a civil way
- Sent 4 text the same night - every half an hour , asking to meet in the lobby. Was always nice and mentioned that pls acknowledge if busy, I can wait.
- Texted and called again 1 hr interval in the morning 6am-10am. Supposedly his shift ends 8am.

Finally sent in a final txt indicating that I have no choice but to take Step1: I would share my experience with his colleagues. Step2; Take this to small claims.

Here is the exact reply (except $$$$ amount) at 2PM "I hope realize our deal was made at Tim Horton's. You failed to give me xxxx dollar, you gave me 20 less and now are telling me you want to return the deal? There was nothing wrong with the screen when you were in front of me., This is a personal matter, and as a professional I'd hope you'd keep it as such"

Ridiculous ! - the guy waits all this while to reply next day! and calls me a $20 bill crook!. I waited 2hr his office lobby within 1hr of transaction. Why didn't he feel like coming down and resolving this.

I am surprised with the quality of people here. I would never generalize, given one bad apple but this just makes me think that about trusting anyone so easily in future.

There are scammers and more, but this is worse!
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As mentioned you would be blamed the most because you did not run full test especially giving him that much of money. There is no excuse for what the guy did but if you were meticulous enough then this deal would never have completed.

There's nothing you can really do even if you take him to small claims as it really comes down to he said you said. Yes, there are dipsticks and it applies to every class and background so next time you should deal wisely.
For wars they come and go, but my soldiers stay eternal.- Tupac
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For next time, you should check more thoroughly even if it means spending an hour with the laptop trying out some games, opening some software, checking for screen/noise/fans/heat or any issues in general. Especially if you are throwing down $4 digits.

You are the buyer and you have the right to try it out - if the seller doesn't allow you to run thorough tests then that should ring an alarm bell and you should walk away.

At this point, I don't know what you can do because as someone said it's your word against his.

Side point, why did you drop 4 digits on a used Y50? If you searched a bit or waited for sales and went on Lenovo EPP you could have got a sweet deal for about $1,029 with a GTX960M 4GB. Not a 4K screen but sweet specs. They go on sale often:

lenovo-hot-deal-gaming-laotop-y50-70-59 ... a-1833775/
4th Generation Intel Core i7-4720HQ Processor (2.60GHz 1600MHz 6MB)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB
16.0GB PC3L-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600 MHz
15.6" FHD LED AntiGlare Backlight (1920x1080)
Hybrid 1TB 5400 RPM+8GB SSHD (not great but you can purchase an ssd)
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Oct 27, 2014
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Buyer this was your fault. Not the sellers. You as the buyer didn't do your due diligence. Don't blame others for your short comings. You didn't do a full check on the item before purchase.

Was he purposefully unloading faulty merchandise? Perhaps. But you share responsibility for your actions as well. If your looking to lay blame...look in the mirror.

It's called buyer beware when purchasing used goods for a reason.
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QwertyHWC wrote: Buyer this was your fault. Not the sellers. You as the buyer didn't do your due diligence. Don't blame others for your short comings. You didn't do a full check on the item before purchase.

Was he purposefully unloading faulty merchandise? Perhaps. But you share responsibility for your actions as well. If your looking to lay blame...look in the mirror.

It's called buyer beware when purchasing used goods for a reason.
Dude its only easy when things don't happen to us, but when this type of ***** hits your own door, will you be saying the same? Put yourself in the buyers shoe and you will realize the pain and agony!
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Oct 27, 2014
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Sure it sucks. We've all been burnt before in some fashion. But all the same you cannot simply ignore the fact that the buyer didn't properly test the machine before purchase.

Run stress tests. Play a DVD. Play a game. This isn't rocket science.

I'm so tired of today's kids who are so entitled and refuse to take any responsibility for themselves. It's really sad. Canadians used to be tough now we're just a bunch of sniveling wimps.

I wouldn't pay a large sum of money to anyone for anything unless I went to the buyers house directly. That's just me. Or I'd write down his info from his license. Then you have recourse and the guy is less likely to rip you off if you know his real name and address. If they refuse to give it put it's probably a scam.

Buyer beware. It's not a cliche.
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QwertyHWC wrote: Sure it sucks. We've all been burnt before in some fashion. But all the same you cannot simply ignore the fact that the buyer didn't properly test the machine before purchase.

Run stress tests. Play a DVD. Play a game. This isn't rocket science.

I'm so tired of today's kids who are so entitled and refuse to take any responsibility for themselves. It's really sad. Canadians used to be tough now we're just a bunch of sniveling wimps.

I wouldn't pay a large sum of money to anyone for anything unless I went to the buyers house directly. That's just me. Or I'd write down his info from his license. Then you have recourse and the guy is less likely to rip you off if you know his real name and address. If they refuse to give it put it's probably a scam.

Buyer beware. It's not a cliche.
Ok ok, not really arguing with the point in making sure the buyer fully test it out before purchasing it. But there is something called "Trust" and sometimes when you look at the sellers position, a highly educated professional, it would really doubt that he/she may fraud you. But then again, you can never judge a book by its cover. Out of good karma the seller could have accepted the return and gave the money back, or at least partial.

This case strikes a very good vital point, NEVER trust ANYBODY. Regardless of their profession. Lesson learned, not only for the buyer, but also for the rest of us!
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Oct 27, 2014
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At the same time how do you know the OP didn't do something to break it and is now crying foul? People lie. Even people on RFD can lie. Just because he says it doesn't necessarily make it so. I used to sell on Ebay and tons of people will lie for various reasons. Now I only sell in Kijiji in person with cash or sometimes on HWC but that's it.

The buyer could easily be lying.

My point is that we have no proof of either scenario. Which is why the best line if defense is to fully test out item before purchase.

Be it a laptop. Pc. Cpu or a blender. Test it fully because you gave o idea how the item was treated before your buying it.

If you go to a buyers house. Is it clean and neat or does it look like an audition for that show Hoarders?

Check out their car. Is it clean inside and out or a pig sty?

How people live in everyday life is a good indication of how your potential item was treated.
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QwertyHWC wrote: At the same time how do you know the OP didn't do something to break it and is now crying foul? People lie. Even people on RFD can lie. Just because he says it doesn't necessarily make it so. I used to sell on Ebay and tons of people will lie for various reasons. Now I only sell in Kijiji in person with cash or sometimes on HWC but that's it.

The buyer could easily be lying.

My point is that we have no proof of either scenario. Which is why the best line if defense is to fully test out item before purchase.

Be it a laptop. Pc. Cpu or a blender. Test it fully because you gave o idea how the item was treated before your buying it.

If you go to a buyers house. Is it clean and neat or does it look like an audition for that show Hoarders?

Check out their car. Is it clean inside and out or a pig sty?

How people live in everyday life is a good indication of how your potential item was treated.
Hey at some point, I can agree with you, being that the buyer may or may not be telling the truth. But as far as looking at how one's life is, then relating that to the condition of the product he/she is selling, is above obscured. I sell a lot of this too, on Kijiji and on here. If you look at my electronics, you would say, WOW that looks immaculate! Did you just purchase that now? But the reality in the matter is that I actually bought the item quite a while back. If you were too look at the cleanliness of my car or my house, its not the greatest at all. Just recently I sold an IPTV to a customer on here, and I took my dad's warehouse vehicle. The vehicle looked like total disaster, as if someone was camping inside it. But the product I sold is brand new and they even saw it. So, sometimes let's not judge a book by its cover...
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