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Provincial standards need to expand for grocery stores

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Jun 15, 2012
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Provincial standards need to expand for grocery stores

Scientific evidence is mounting SARS-CoV-2 is aerosolized by basic breathing and talking. A physical barrier covering the respiratory system is common sense and courtesy, in addition to social distancing. It is less to protect oneself, rather to protect others due to the 5 day incubation period, or people displaying little or no symptoms throughout the course of infection.

Suggestions (some already implemented):
- limit number of customers shopping together (one, unless single parent or caregiver for disabled that cannot be left alone)
- limit number of customers inside based on square footage
- hand sanitizer dispensers at doors, pay stations, high-touch areas
- no re-usable bags, provide clean bags at no extra cost
- signs to remind distancing, overhead announcements
- 2m spacing lines at checkout and elsewhere appropriate
- signs about courtesy, "Buy what you pick up"
- restrictions to bulk items, hoarding prevention
- no mask, no entry, can be anything covering the mouth/nose
- staff should also be masked in some way eg; they package meat, stock produce, prepare salads/food
- staff should be taught proper 20s hand hygiene with soap/water and 70% ABHR
- cashiers should sanitize their hands between customers
- no gloves, gloves are a detriment by providing false security whereby people/staff think they can touch everything (Health care professionals wear gloves because they are dealing with bodily fluids that can enter the skin and they are disposed of between patients, this virus does not infect through skin, it is contracted via the respiratory system)
- cleaning guidelines during store hours (surfaces), and thorough cleaning overnight, basically adopt hospital standards

I'm watching which stores do this and it would be prudent if they want the business. What else?
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Deal Expert
Aug 26, 2001
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I completely agree with everything you're saying.

I noticed that Sobey's in Richmond Hill seems to have executed some of your recommendations already.

One gap is that not all store employees are wearing masks. Some have masks. Some have face shields (only). Some have neither. That's something that Sobey's corporate should make a universal policy. Of course, then they'd need to BUY masks for all of their employees - not sure if they're doing that, or just allowing employees to bring their own personal masks/face shields to work.

Since the SHTF I've avoided all "discount grocers" (No Frills/Food Basics) because I'm assuming they have less resources to maintain proper cleanliness.
Also avoiding Costco mainly because I don't trust the people who shop there to not behave like wild animals.

So just sticking to Sobeys/Loblaws/Metro/Longo's for now.
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Jul 10, 2004
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Great points
I've been sharing this link and it has confirmed my suspensions all along .
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I have banners I made all over my cars "wear facemasks" for almost a week now.
Getting less walking traffic in front of my place, hehehe ppl prolly think I'm infected lol
If not, they are walking up to the urgency.
Stay Safe and Corona Free ...
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Mar 14, 2005
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Asian markets that enforce mandatory mask wearing policy are inherently safer if you have to enter one of these places.

Hopefully more of these chains start implementing these type of policies.
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Nov 13, 2010
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AncasterRFD wrote: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/0 ... ughan.html

Grocery staff really need to put on home-made masks already.
There are some skills and equipment necessary to make homemade masks.
Gotta know stitching and have thread, cloth, nylon/elastic etc.

Stores like fabrictown, fabricland etc are closed since they not essential??
Walmart long lines and no guarantee you can find everything you need. And you buy machine too.
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Jul 19, 2004
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AncasterRFD wrote: Scientific evidence is mounting SARS-CoV-2 is aerosolized by basic breathing and talking.
Do you have some links detailing that? I agree with you. I am just trying to find more articles to convince people otherwise.
[OP]
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Jun 15, 2012
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Southern Ontario
apnayloags wrote: There are some skills and equipment necessary to make homemade masks.
Gotta know stitching and have thread, cloth, nylon/elastic etc.

Stores like fabrictown, fabricland etc are closed since they not essential??
Walmart long lines and no guarantee you can find everything you need. And you buy machine too.
“Home made” can encompass anything, YouTube “DIY no sew mask”. Even a thick bandanna, anything to block verbal spittle and some aerosols is better than nothing. These measures help protect everyone else, not necessarily the wearer.
[OP]
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Jun 15, 2012
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someone16 wrote: Do you have some links detailing that? I agree with you. I am just trying to find more articles to convince people otherwise.
It may have started here or earlier: https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/c ... nsmission-

Look for news or find source articles if you want more granular information. These are some quick google links, I’m a bit tired after work to provide a better list:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronav ... shows.html

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2763852



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